Wormholes

also ending every post with how little you care about the subject is sure to lend all kinds of credence to your opinion

see also: how many accounts you are unsubscribing due to your change

man I sure am motivated by folks using their subscription dollars as a hostage

First off I would like to thank you for at least acknowledging the situation in this thread. I would very much like if you would continue to post your reasoning on why you think this change will play out differently than we think it will. Because right now we believe these are your three goals.

Make rage rolling harder and more risky.
Reduce the speed at which rage rolling can be done.
And give defenders more of an advantage, make it impossible for small groups to use caps effectively and give a larger advantage to bigger wormhole groups.

The last one is assumed because you have failed to post your reasoning on why the change 'must' happen in the it's current form and why it cannot be done in a way that doesn't change several fundamental parts of wormhole pvp. Since assuming it makes an ass out of you and me, why don't you clarify it?

Because there are other ways to achieve the first two goals without causing the third and many of us don't see why you don't use those other ways and insist on sticking to the one that is the reasoning behind all this anger in the thread.

To clarify my point, we don't care about slower and more risky rage rolling (At least the majority of us). We do care the the fundamental aspects of wormhole pvp are being changed in such a way that many more advantages are being given to larger groups and the defending side of a wormhole. So what is preventing you from catering the change to achieve your specific goals you have stated in your dev blog and in this thread without causing the third goal.

Its only a question of adding more randomness and/or spacing between ships before it becomes a problem for you too, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Then you'll see where we're at with this thing. I have no beef with null, but the idea that you can "adapt" to random spawns (aside from deciding not to spawn) is foolishness.

Ah the good old cloaky thanny :D (only done it once myself but had a few try it on us - so far unsuccessfully).


EDIT: Honestly though if your rage rolling the chances of the people you open into having probes already out and a fleet on standby to take advantage of the window while your cap is bouncing or slowboating is fairly small - most likely their fleet will land as your about to jump back anyhow and thats assuming they are on the ball and ready to commit to a fight without knowing what they are up against. That extra turn around time to collapse just due to increasing risk which only actually applies in fringe cases is daft.

I don't get the "frigate scout" thing, it's not like covert ops frigates are banned from wspace, you guys use them too, what is even the deal with that

and yes, i was talking about rage rolling -- the idea of someone scrambling together a multi dread force in the 20, maybe 30 second window (the extra 10-20s is for your scout to bounce around the system a bit and dscan) to counter roll your hole like you describe is, frankly, ludicrous

it takes longer than that for the capital ships to even accelerate and decelerate from warp

it's that scenario in which hole rolling is safe (outside of pilot error) and the situation that this change is intending to dissolve

We have done it to people and people have done it to us successfully plenty of times.

Why do you insist on wormhole people looking to find content to have to risk billions of isk in order to do so?

Yes we use cov ops to scout just like you, the difference is you don't have to roll holes or scan out the systems. Spend the time scanning out all the sigs in the chain, just to find out there is nothing there. Now we have to come back and deal with rolling the wormhole with capitals getting shot out 20km away, so the choice is to either warp off and warp back or slowboat in a capital 20km. After that is done guess what, rinse and repeat, sometimes can take 10 + times doing it before you find something worth doing.

the point here is that you don't actually have to risk billions of isk to do so, it just makes it faster

a game mechanic becoming LESS feasible is not the same thing as making it UNFEASIBLE

the change is slowing down the rate at which you can do this by adding the risk + warp or slowboat factor

The activity is already interdictable by those with sharp reaction times, good planning and the balls to go for it.