Wormholes

Rather than the two of you asking people spam the forum by typing a letter to show they are here, how about some reasoned arguments about why these changes are going to affect things, how you think they will affect things, and give a little anecdotal evidence to support your arguments? That would at least not pad the thread with spam that requires ISD removal.

Apparently saying the same thing about hating a change CCP is forcing down our throats has now been redefined as a rant. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this.

I've seen the gratuitous spams removed, all but the original post connected with that spam was left intact. Now I want to see what was so threatening they decided to labet is as a rant and delete the person's post outright. Also, they don't appear to let anyone know if/when a post gets deleted, it's just wiped away, like a 1960s president's mistress, and the issue is "disappeared" from existence.

We have been, and I have, roll back and start reading the forums
Its called Sarcasm (ill simplify it for you)
The point i was actual making was that after post after post of
reasons why, in an easy to read format stating the problem, not only by me
but many many others. Yet Fozzie still forces this ******** feature on his little pod cast.

BTW whats your main toon, This is mine and i don't bother to hide using alts.
Man up, (even if you are a chick)

I'm not stating you didn't give a reasoned argument. I'm asking that you not try to create spam in the form of folks posting a single letter like it's an "X up for fleet" response where this is a forum, not some chat channel.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-hyperion?_ga=1.235259265.1420432876.1406240670
Well, what can be said.

We discovered it hidden on sisi,
Really strong feedback that was detailed and rational. Some of it was by really respected wormhole players and corps.
Universal rejection of the principles of the change Large, Medium and small all very against it, and the consensus was it was bad in every way for the game.

Fozzie made a cosmetic polish which took no account of the requests and detailed concerns.

Now announced in patch notes with no contact in the feedback thread since the 16th.

So that is the system working?

Agreed, there was you, sorry I forgot.

I did not include nullsec either, as they would not expect us to put our opinions on changes to sovereignty or jump ranges etc. which is strange really, as they are the sole beneficiary.

I'm sure when gates in 0.0 have polarization and cynos give a mass based random chance for scatter placing your fleet of supers out of position of each other the Null crowd will have a 500 page thread of tears. In the meantime, please don't bother commenting on a sector of space you just visit briefly on the way back to your hovels out in the big blue donut. Unlike in Nullsec, most everyone in WH space is actively trying to kill you, not just exact tolls to cover Sov bills in exchange for blue status.

Time spent communicating bad news is still bad news received.

Honestly why did CCP not just tell us that the "Requested" feedback would be ignored ... it would have saved us so much time and effort

don't give us the illusion of limited control, that's one of the best ways to **** off your consumers

also has anyone else drawn the conclusion about the recent DDoS Attacks ?
it seems pretty logical that they are in protest to the wormhole changes

I'm still amazed that in the beginning of the town hall meeting someone asked again "Why don't you do this to Cyno's" and he was hushed up and the question was ignored

so far the Wormhole CSM has either
A) not done his job properly and flat ignored the player base that is screaming about this change
B) is being screwed just like the res of us

Id like to believe its B but from the Lack of communication I'm inclined to believe its A

apparently people have been Sold on the fact that "some people in wormholes want this" I find this questionable since the only groups that could POSSIBLY benefit from this are Hard Knocks, Lazerhawks or some of the other massive Wormhole groups, and even they have stepped up and said they don't want this, I personally believe we are being fed a big bowl of troll soup by CCP on this issue, the only thing I cannot figure out is who is doing the pooping (since it rolls downhill), the CSM, or Fozzie

we as a community have said repeatedly "We don't want this" my opinion is that you as a company have said "We don't want you" with your lack of Communication and blatant disregard for the Community desires or feedback

oh look you modified the distance ..yay ... as has been said before 20,14,10 its all the same thing at that point when it comes to caps or Orcas, you've tried to fix an open artery with a bandied and everyone in the community sees it for what it really is .. an insult

This game is Touted as skill and ability based .. this level of RNG has no place in this game

There have been many challenges for you to come live in a hole and try to live with these changes and I personally don't believe you have the huts-pah to do it

Just as I was writing this post we had to combat close a hole in the face of an overwhelming force from Aztec Inc. there was some pew pew but no losses ... if this was post patch ... when we saw them coming we would more than likely just have PoS'ed up and gone to play WoT or Minecraft for the rest of the day and there would have been no engagement at all.. and yes we had plenty of time to do so

if that is what CCP Believes is for the "Good of the game" then I must again question their level of intelligence when it comes to running a game

Ok well, Thats it

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Large alliance's have posted this is a terrible
Town hall meetings saying its bad
Rants on the Tournament about wormhole space
CSM's not being listened Especially the WH CSM (he has a job for a reason)

Well My group is moving out, Thanks Fozzy.
Were too big to move to a smaller wormhole
Were to small to move in to K-space.

If your a smaller groups understand you will not be able to roll your holes to get your stuff out
you will not be able to roll your holes to get stuff in.

We cant afford a Cap replacement of pimp fit Carriers and dreads to throw away, we cant afford that when we cant
roll holes to make money. We cant do anything a reasonable rational person would put at risk.
we will no longer be able to defend our hole if were out numbered and we always are.
We will have no game content when we can not find something to do.

You sir (Fozzie), have chosen to ignore everyone. Now its a simple
lets wait and see what happens. The fact is
They will not admit it was bad Idea now, even with the numbers come out in 30 days
what makes you think they will listen then. Openly admitting that this a terrible idea, is not a CCP norm.

Sorry guys, looks like the end of the line for me.
We will see in 30 days after this is forced through.
I know they wont revert it, and frankly WH space doesnt play
enough in to their numbers for them to obviously listen.

I really enjoyed eve since 2009. I don't want to F1 in nullsec.
I enjoyed the great fights. No Holes, Aztec, LazerHawks you guys Do your thing enjoy have fun with
Rage rolling becoming even more time consuming and tedious. I think more hours spent
attempting to roll a hole is considered game content by Fozzie.
Great job we had a good time, even though you rolled over us like a baby in the street with a steam roller.
Any Fight that doesn't consist of me getting hot dropped by suppers is a good fight now a days.

I will look forward to CCP posting historical numbers, of cause and effect of this patch
but they will not. It is a true shame.

Well Everything that has been said by some of the greatest subject matter experts in the game
in wormhole space, the largest and most successful WH allainces and corps have said No.
As these Groups conduct their exodus, so will we, some of the departures are posted some are not.
I ran in to a corp today, as we were racing to combat close a worm hole me and +2 guys, as the pile of t-3's and logie
with hate flavored ice cream landed on us, allowing us to have something to do later besides spin in a POS.
My scout was cut off in the adjacent system, I spoke with them, the corp watching about the changes
They said it will end their way of life. we spoke for about a half hour and we went on our separate ways such as
wormhole life is or was.

No you cant have my stuff and if after 30 days this patch is not reverted, can i get my money back on my subscriptions?

Thanks for not listening to not only me but an entire community.

For you pilots going to fight the good, fight keep it up, Fly Dangerous and kill something

I believe I will probably find some thing else to occupy my time, something fun.
Its not a big deal 10-20 pilots, and maybe 80 toons leaving, but hay when its no
fun anymore. We will see what happens in 30 days, no i don't speak for all the people i fly with
but yea that is the feeling across the board with my guys, were tired of K-space.