Wormholes

Yes, that's correct. I worded myself poorly.
100% against this change just to be clear :P

And that hits the nail on the head. Players only have so much time to play. And when you get a fleet together and are rage rolling you are looking for speed in finding site runners to gank (or any sort of targets) the longer it takes to roll a WH the less time there is for PVP hence by simple the simple virtue of time there is less PVP with this change.

As another put, you can't force PVP on someone that does not want to fight (unless you catch them on a site in siege) The most fun PVP I can recall is finding a battle in progress and jumping into it a ways into a chain. You never know what will happen to the chain behind you. Frankly our corp spends most if its time fighting nullbears since it is easier to find targets in null. I think this change will just mess with corp operations and slow down the chance to get into PVP. No more jumping the triage carrier through the hole during a fight as it will now end up someplace random away from everything.

So stop screwing with mechanics and add some content, that might liven things up in WH space.

The real issue in lower class holes (and I suppose in C5/C6 as well) is that you can roll your statics and effectively seal yourself off from the rest of eve, barring a random K162 opening. Its THIS mechanic that needs to be disposed of to eliminate (nearly) risk-free ratting and denying PvP. Immediately.

I think the spawn distance change was partly intended to address this problem, but there's better ways to do it. Leave the spawn distance thing off the hole alone and just make it so that there's always an open connection from your system to somewhere in eve. If you roll the statics one of them (if there's more than one) opens on both sides automatically. Or a random hole to anywhere opens on both sides. It can be an empty deep low/null/w-space system which is fine as long as there's the opportunity for being found without necessarily someone having to roll holes to find you via K162.

I otherwise like all the changes so far but there weren't any buffs to site payouts in lower class holes and that is something that's really needed to balance the dramatically higher risk of losing ships/pods vs. risk free incursions and blue donut plexing/pirate missioning with local.

LOL! I did say 'virtually' no risk. Have you actually run incursions? You can run Vanguards reasonably efficiently at about 80 mil per hour (not including LP!) with a fleet of T1 battleships. Yes that increases to about 110 mil per hour with a pimped vindi/mare/mach fleet... But lol who cares!

EDIT: PS... No smart incursion group gets ganked. Thats what DScan is for... Oh thats right, carebears dont use dscan.

For years we have asked the normal POS`s.
Over the years asked the normal security system, where each recruit would not be a threat to the entire Corporation living in WH.

In the CCP offer a system that will encourage crabs sit still more at POS or to leave on the WH.
Who ever said that the king crab fishing should be easy?

If the WH will be too many risks - who is going to live? What the heck to do PvP corporations in the games, where there is none? Where is the logic?
Now WH not profitable to many other activities. Problem - new ISK`s through the blue. Well solve this problem!

The problem is that few PvP in a place where there quite a few people? Do these places are interesting for pilots!

You are WAY off on your income per hour.

ISN can earn 200m an hour flying with bling ships doing HQ's and like 150m doing vanguards.

Last I saw.

Hm. Seems like CCP bad at financial planning. Lets help CCP count how much they'll lose. I won't speak on behalf of my Alliance but due to lost interest in wh or even in EvE itself I probably won't be using 3-4 accounts after this "wormhole improvements".
Let's count how many accounts will be unpaid in September guys! =)

For now:
probably (but i doubt it):
200 BU accounts
i'm sure about
3-4 my accounts.

Who else? I'll ask in my alliance in a few hours too =)

On that note -
During talks within my alliance we came up with this idea

1. Sleeper Queens
When standing for an C6 you can read "leads into deadly unknown parts of space"
well the deadly is created from the resident sin there if they aren´t online and you don´t accidentially warp inside a sleeper site or the like ... nothing can happen to you
i mean where´s the deadly part – even in low sec you have rats a the gate ... so we wondered what would happen if you had this in w-space.
And we came to the conclusion if there would be sleepers at all times at the wh´s it would be quite bugging.
So why not have in C5-C6 spawn a sleeper queen every other month ...
this queen is something like a capital Slepper (carrier) which at the moment it spawns starts generating more and more sleepers resulting in more Battleships within the combat sites an probably multiplying those ... but would also generate sleeper which would start patrol the wormhole to portect their queen ...
and at a certain point when the queen was left alone for an extended period of time the sleeper patrols will form up an even start attacking the towers in w-space which shoul be an really neat content driver ...
So you can choose to let the sleeper quenn be for the time being resulting in more isk per site but on the other hand you are at risk at being attacked by sleepers at the wormholes and even your tower ist put at risk ... what could result in some nice fights defending your pos against sleeper and those who witness you doing it ...

from my point of view this seems far more intresting than this proposal and the necessary code for thsi should also be there somewhere ....



This idea to me seems also far better - why allow a static to be closed.
Let it generate a K162 whenever a new static spawns - so you as a w-space resident have to deal with what your choosen hole has to offer at all times.

Id add C7 WH, no moons, no effects, randomly spawning to anyplace, unknown mass, no static (or changed one) and containing sleeper motherships with some fancy loot. At least SOMETHING different.

Otherwise, good idea :)

We live in wh space because we dislike k-space mechanics.
Station games, gate aggro, cyno, power projection. All of this is essentialy different in WH space. This is what draws people into WHs and make them somewhat OK with all disadvantages.

I dont want WH space to look anything like k-space. If it does, I will not find myself subbing my accounts anymore.

Vote with your wallets people.