Wormholes

You. I like you.

Agreed this is an interesting change. You put it much better than i could have done.


The real question is though. Who is gonna be the first corp to kill a cap escalation fleet with Enyos?

don't let these WH's connect to nullsec first - not until you've tried them in highsec and losec, I have a feeling if nullsec finds one of these - the WH that's in there will be swamped by bored null roamers in cheap pods flying cheap frigs, so the WH'ers will POS/cloaky up since they don't want to risk their insanely overpriced pod in an easily popped frigate, then you'll likely get a fleet of bored null roamers shooting the pos for no reason.....

the problem here is that the null roamers are bored - shake their sov up - make them work to keep it - and this wouldn't be so bad.

Also coupled with the spawn range changes - this just makes refuelling your tower a lot more dangerous for smaller WH residents

I keep seeing these grand ideas to make wormholes more PVP oriented than they already are. Where is the income to support this new level of danger and insecurity these unrollable wormholes will present? What incentive is there to stay in a wormhole that makes 0.5% of the value of a ship just for rolling holes from a single combat site (i.e. Orca)? This is much more unsettling for smaller corps, especially in C4 and under, as the income versus risk tables are all imbalanced with the C5 and C6 income.

My own experiences from living in a C3 for 15 months show that, unless you are using the planets for PI as your majority income source, it's extremely hard to make enough to even cover POS fuel bills in a C3, much less replace lost ships. Now you are making unclosable frigate holes that will prevent most industrials from being able to do even that? Most of lower class wormhole corps could not match an incoming blob if they wanted to, with many of these corps displaying 20 or less members, including alts, as their entire roster. The income from a C3 is only around 30-40m a site for combat sites, mining is suicide with all the ore anoms being readily warped to by attackers, and even then having 4-8 connections on a busy day means these holes are already unusable for large blocks of time unless you risk a 600m ISk ship (or multiple battleships at a third of that) to roll those unwanted connections. Losses of T3s from individuals trying to run sites ran one corp I know out of wormholes completely, and they tried to make a go of it in null, then most of the 30 man corp unsubbed and left the game out of frustration over not being able to find a niche to live in and make money. I know this contributed to the loss of several PLEX buyers because that was where the value for those lost T3s came from.. Subscription levels might be able to be fudged, with all the alts out there, but that there are routinely 20k less players online than there were a year ago is not lost on me. I fear these changes are going to cause numbers to dip even more as lower class wormholes become holes to dump ISK into without sufficient return. I recently did some activity in a C1, partially to help some corpmates, and partially to see what the income numbers were like. I make more from L4 missioning in highsec than a C1 combat site generates. With seriously low spawn rates of those combat anoms and painfully low value for having to fly in such a harsh environment, how is anyone supposed to try to live off that income? If I weren't sponsoring a POS off PI income, that fuel bill would wreck some folks for even affording ships to fly.

To summarize: Low mass, unrollable wormholes will accelerate losing players from EVE. What was the benefit here again?

The idea of new, small wormholes is kind of neat.

But as someone who likes cloaky ships, it's limiting my options somewhat: I can either use an almost helpless cov-op, or an Astero. Sure, stealth bombers are also an option, but I personally prefer cruisers.

Is there a possibility to just lessen the constraints enough to allow recon-cruisers to slip through? I would really like to use my Pilgrim for stealthy shenannigans again.

Hell, I know it's a pipe dream, but a new class of cov-ops capable destroyers would be a cool idea and a compromise if recon-cruisers are too much.

One of the UNIQUE points about WHs it that with some effort you can close the system off for a while.

Being able to close the system off is essential for any PvE activity in WHs.

You intend to add a random spawn WH that cannot be closed to the game.

No NO!! For the love of god NO!

What is wrong with bringing frigates and dessies through regular WH?? You need to add "Special eat the paste kid" version??

A second static to a C4 is all well and good if you like to pvp for the indy side and to make isk doing pve makes it a lot harder there's a reason isk making in C2's is shyte it's due to the 2nd static

Yet again this is all setup to promote pvp and lessen pve income it's a pretty pony idea

This has the potential to get another Frigate preferred scenario like Faction Warfare but now for Wormhole Space.
I definitely like this idea!

mm.. what happened too reducing the clone prices ???

apart from a very few large wh alliances/corps there wont be many wh groups that will be able to field large frigate fleets. then there's the issue with expensive pods.

nullsec on the other hand... lol and I though I was joking when I said this was a nullsec patch.

this patch seems to be adding wh people to the nullsec plankton food group aaaaahahahaha!

ps. by large I mean the 100man fleets I see daily and take part in.