Wormholes

And that would get them where....

There's a point where the excess is detrimental to your pvp. Even with the infinite hole , it doesn't mean you'll have a row of 20 of them to run your gang of 200 through. You'll hit eol holes, massed holes, guys with smartbombs on the otherside, etc. would an interceptor gang decide to run around in your hole for days at a time waiting for you?

I doubt it. There is more pew to be had.

I'm a little sad about this because this will create a hole, in which you dont fear to get lost because you can back in anytime, not fearing the hole to disapear.

In a way, this will be like a small gate in nullsec systems. A gate that only time can destroy.

I would gladly accept the fact that while the hole "regenerates" its mass, each time it does so, it loose life time.
Lets say: it has 16 hours at first.
Ex: Each frigate jump will deduce 15 min of life time in it.
Here will be the way:
You want to exploit your small wh as a siege thing ? Gotta limit the number of ships using the hole by the strict minimum.
Wanna skirmish ? Okay, use pleinty of ships in it, but each member will reduce the fun time you'll have..


Thanks.

Because before these new WHs, roaming gangs of frigates was not viable since they couldn't fit in thought the existing WHs.

Wait... ;)


Sarcasm aside, justifying this WHs simply because NOW we will be able to roam in frigates is not logical. You could do it BEFORE using the existing WHs. Only difference is the existing ones can collapse trapping everybody in the wrong side, but that, son, that's WH life for you.

I think the idea of adding connections is great.
The justification for the low mass seems kinda weak.
The permanent (until it reaches EOL and dies) WH idea is just bad.

Just so there is no confusion, this will be cheap but it needs to be.
WH space will be like the 70s almost everywhere will have a disco (battleship) (smart bombs for those who do not know)

Thats fine, we can deal with loss.

But PLEASE let us swap clones before we go on these roams, Pods are going to pop like never before.

I don't think anyone is going to go roam around WH space in frigate fleets, and if they do, it will be as some sort of monthly joke roam.

It's already super easy to get frigate fleets out to nullsec through wormhole space.

This combined with the other changes will make seeding scouts pretty much a risk free and almost free intel.

Currently if you are podded out, you lose access to your home if you have not taken the precaution of having alts logged off in the hole to scan you back in.
The point is that one pods ones opponents so that they are not shooting at you one minute later.
Wormholers wish to be able to swap clones only. Within the hole they occupy.

Why? so we can enjoy for example the new frigate mechanics.
Would anyone with slaves for example choose to jump blind into a "mini hole" when there is a smart bombing battleship on the other side? Thought not.

as for risk free? you lose your pos you lose all your clones and all those lovely implants.

I like rolling around in dictors and bombers as much as the next corpse collector, but I confess that doing so in my blingy pod designed to work with other, bigger ships is not something I feel compelled to do by space bushido. We have limited resources, so we invest more heavily in what we do have. Being able to cloneswap in w-space would make this change much more relevant to my interests.

Interesting change; too bad the primary use of these will likely be marking them as red DO NOT ENTER on siggy, and ignoring anything past there (unless it is directly into people running sites, in which case a different entrance will be scanned out (and why would anyone do PvE with one of these in their hole?)

We love our frigate roams in blue-fire but they have extremely limited use in wormhole space, especially when the other party likely won't be restricted by the mass limitations of these holes. Right now if you are going roaming through these holes you are left with sub-par logistics frigates, no links, and weak ships vs. anything the other parties have to blob you with.

First of all - Thank you CCP Fozzie for publishing that Devblog.

Now to the point :)

To be honest with you - I have no idea if this is a good change.

I red your description of this new WH few times and for me it looks like description of idea on new place in New Eden - some new content... It's lacking some details I guess, like how this place could be useful for players. And of course I do understand that they could be used as "new road system" through W-Space and Wspace-Kspace, but I think this idea got some bigger potential.

Maybe you should design some content for destroyer/frigate class - just for newbies to encourage them to come into W-space. Shortcut role won't provide that. Maybe you should after all take some ideas showed like over a year ago on Fanfest 2013 Live Game Design Session (Youtube film).

And I do not think POD value (issues from above posts :) - of course would be nice to have some structure at the POS where you could swap clones - I can imagine crucial use of that in case of flying with many doctrines, since armor or shield usually needs other implants ^^) is relevant here since whole EvE lays on one basic rule - don't fly anything you can't afford to loose :)

General picture here is promising - that change got very big potential and needs move DEV love.

i find this complete waste of dev time... it brings no content to WH life. just ask yourself how many frigs do you need to kill a cap ship. might be interesting when the WH is between two k-space systems but for us it will be just annoying.

big minus from me. please invest this time into corp/pos management