Wormholes

Been reading all the posts in this thread, while I think a lot of people have great concerns about the new dual statics I will agree that I don't think dual statics are the solution. That's NOT TO SAY I'M AGAINST the idea, but if you want to revamp C4 space then by all means do that.

We currently live in a C4 - C3 static system with no effect. We originally moved in because C4 space was known to be low traffic. After a while we've become pretty bored with our WH due to low isk payouts and we actually crave more pvp action then our WH can supply. This has to be one of the most boring holes to live in - yet peaceful. We have one cap pilot and 2-3 others training for caps and a couple months out. Personally, I would love to see some higher payouts for sites in C4, I think EVERYONE can agree this is THE deterrent from living in C4 space. I would even love to see carrier escalations in a C4 to try and get people to build them in WH space (my own opinion, not saying everyone should agree with that). Obviously make them toned down from a C5 with less payout, but not NEARLY as bad as they are now. Either C4's need to be soloable, or promote group play, not a 50/50 of both witch makes no one want to do it, like it is now.

I'm not at all opposed to the two statics idea, but I do think something needs to happen with the isk payout in C4 sites at the same time. If you can't manage your statics then IMO you probably shouldn't be in WH space. If you don't know how to close off your hole so you can farm in safety then a Google search is not far off. Not saying I'm a WH pro at all by any means. Personally I think CCP could make C4 space very fun. I just don't think dual statics are the only solution, isk really needs to be increased as well.

My PERSONAL ideal scenario for C4 space would be dual statics with 1 carrier escalation in SOME sites. Either C4 sites need to be easier, or slightly harder with more isk payout.

TL;DR
Dual statics are nice, but isk payouts need to be increased as well.

So I've been thinking about it. . .

At first I was very turned off by the idea of another static in my wormhole, but the more I think about it the more I'm starting to warm up to the idea. That being said, it's not going to do anything to help players become more active in C4 space. Just from the law of averages, it might lead to more random accidental encounters just from the increased travel-through they're likely to see, but balance that against the increased need to turtle to survive and the likelihood that many smaller corps will be moving out, you get a lot of empty space.

CCP, if you want larger corps to move in, or you want the current C4 residents to do more pvp, then you need to give us a chance to replace what we lose. As it stands right now, it takes ages to replace even the bare minimum fleet for running the combat sites in there. Whether you're looking at 3 RR Domis, a lone Marauder, or a flock of tengu, the cost for replacing lost ships is too high for C4 corps to remain viable without turtling up.

Say your bare minimum Dominix team is somehow able to run the sites with 3 ships totalling 300m each after fittings. . .
In order to afford a replacement fleet, you'd need to run between 10 and 15 Barracks depending on salvage. Let's say it takes you two weeks to get that many spawned (in my experience, it takes longer). That's about 260 mil in fuel at current Jita prices for one stick. That adds 3 more sites onto the calculation.

Assuming you have NO other expenses, your break even is 13-18 of the best sites in the class before you can afford to lose one bare minimum fleet. Keep in mind, that fleet just barely squeaks by on those sites. The payout for the work just isn't there. People turtle up, not because they're afraid of dying, but because they can't afford to replace their ships on that kind of income.

TL/DR: If you want more activity in C4s, then you need to provide a living wage, yo. People stick to c3s and c5s, avoiding c4s not because of logistics, but because of income potential

I've lived in several C4s over the years, and this change won't be the nail in the coffin of c4 corps that people are suggesting. A second static means your location can appeal to even more types of players which makes it easy to recruit and keep players. C3s are good for high SP solo PVE, C2s are good for lower SP solo PVE. Having both means everybody has something to do.

Pro-tip: Rolling two holes doesn't actually take that much longer than rolling one. Hit first hole, hit second hole, wait out timer.

Now that said, I worry that some c4s will get statics that drastically change the nature of their location. Because of how difficult they are to crash, adding a C1 static to a hole that doesn't have one would be like adding anchovies to cake. Maybe you like anchovies, but you probably don't want them put in your cake. Especially if you're in the middle of eating it (i.e. living there). Likewise, suddenly getting a c5 or c6 static might open your location up much more frequent visits from much larger and experienced PVP corporations. I don't really get why it's problematic to add another static identical to the current one, except for two c1s. Closing them by mass is time-consuming enough, but having two would make it more difficult to just wait them out too.

Getting the wrong static will most certainly be enough to convince some people to leave and the time that it takes to move in or out of a hole is enough to make a person stop playing entirely, especially if they felt like their hand was forced. It would propbably take each corp more time to move than it would for CCP to find out which holes are occupied. If a hole is empty, I think it's reasonable to add just about any kind of static to it without worry. But if a hole is occupied, here's how I'd institute the changes to avoid ruffling too many feathers.

Hole/Static - New Static
C4/C6 - C2, C3, C4, C5 or 2nd C6.
C4/C5 - C2, C3, C4, 2nd C5 or C6.
C4/C4 - C2, C3 or 2nd C4.
C4/C3 - C2, 2nd C3 or C4.
C4/C2 - 2nd C2, C3 or C4.
C4/C1 - No new static.

If it's just too difficult to change occupied holes one way, and unoccupied holes another then I'd just bite the bullet and use the above chart for all of them. At the very very least, you should announce which holes are getting which statics so players can prepare. If you don't, then you're alienating your wormhole players for no reason. Change is fine if it's reasonable and if this change is done correctly, the corps that live in c4s will benefit more than they lose.

Why does everyone keep saying c1 statics are near impossible to roll? I live in a c4/c1 right now, and we roll the c1 all the time. When we get an incoming c4 or larger, we have a very difficult time rolling it since the max mass is so much larger, and we still can't fit caps through. Am I missing something crucial here?

If my old C4/C4 turned into a C4/C4/C5, I would definitely move back in. I left C4 space after I got a taste of C5 isk. Even w/o cap escalations, C5's pay really really well. 200 a site in blue loot alone. Being able to resupply via freighters. Multi boxing orca boosted gas mining. Easier to close most holes than any C4 hole using carriers{for now at least}.

Dafuq

SOE Lv4 in hisec give 100mISK/h you don't need share it with scouts or have towers to fuel and you can spam them as long you like.

Do you really think I have just run one barrack?

Hardest content? I plan to try C5 Garrison solo in sisi but I'm missing couple modules to make raven test fit. I almost quit eve cause of lag of pve challenge before I got in to wormholes. I know it can be done in Vargur already.

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Also if you bold anything you should check this if they do this whole day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDQ8pU0OBb0.

I probably shouldn't admit this but I'm more afraid of getting ganked in highsec than in a C4. I can't recall a single time I've been dunked on while running sites. Lots of times when rolling, subsequent shens, & fuel/loot runs. Esp the loot run part.

In highsec it's easy don't use officer mods and don't shoot other players.

Found out the hard way on a few things. Like, can't warp away after ganks, undocking in a new ship while still criminal = concord, & the joys of kill rights avail to all.