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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Second Static for C4s

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Winthorp
#81 - 2014-08-06 23:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
HYPErion me up some C4 tears.
forsot
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#82 - 2014-08-07 00:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: forsot
wrong thread
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#83 - 2014-08-07 01:46:34 UTC
Yeah, why not.

I'm going to be pushing to move into a C4 Black Hole with N766 static. J165321 here i come.

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Amgurr Alabel
Incorruptibles
#84 - 2014-08-07 02:31:21 UTC
Obil Que wrote:
Not terribly excited simply due to that fact that we've recently occupied a C4 specifically because it had a single C3 static. That environment suited us well. Obviously a concern is what completely random static we will end up with will very much determine the suitability of the hole for us.

Is there any information that could be made available on what combinations C4s will get based on their current static types? Similar to how C2 with C3 will always have a HS. Will a C4 with a current C3 have a specific kind or possible set of additional statics or be totally random?

Overall, I am far more in favor of increased spawns/randomness vs. additional statics in C4 space since the later permanently changes the landscape of our chosen system potentially resulting in the need to move if the result is unfavorable.

EDIT: Clarification on information request and additional thoughts


This....we are a smallish corp living in a c4/c3. If we ended up with a c5 or c6 static there is no way we could compete with the larger corps living in those holes. It would be very frustrating to no longer be able to live in our home because CCP decided we needed a c5 or c6 static in our WH.
Fish McCragg
Nomad Collective
OnlyHoles
#85 - 2014-08-07 02:44:34 UTC
It's nice to see wormholes finally getting a large-ish update. I'm a current C4 resident, so I'll put my 2 cents in.

This update will provide a massive benefit to occupants of c5 and c6 space. However, it will devastate those already living in c4. A quick read-through of this thread shows massive support from non-c4 wormholers and massive disapproval from c4 inhabitants like myself.

The second static will definitely increase accessibility to C4 wormholes, but it will likely not lead to an increase in activity. Myself and the majority of C4 inhabitants posting on this thread will likely be forced to move from C4 space to another class in order to continue operations. While it's possible that PVP oriented groups will move from C2 to C4 space, I'd be very surprised to see that number outweigh the exodus I expect we will see. I like the idea of increasing the activity in C4s so they no longer suffer from "nothing-going-on" syndrome. However, forcing inter-connectivity is not going to entice active players to dwell there. It will likely increase traffic for higher class wormhole logistics runs but at the cost of ending up with a lot of uninhabited c4 systems.

That being said, my small corp and I will be holding on to our C4 until the bitter end. When we finally have no other choice, we'll probably be joining a larger c6 alliance, but not until we absolutely have to.

I just wish there was somewhere in eve that smaller corps like mine could fly dangerously and still remain profitable. We had that in our C4, but it looks like it won't last much longer.
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#86 - 2014-08-07 03:21:14 UTC
This'll be interesting. Glad there's no K SPace connection, I like being out in deep space.

How will you be assigning the new statics? Opposite of current as in C1-3's get a C4-6 and vise versa? Or completely random selection?
Winthorp
#87 - 2014-08-07 04:20:01 UTC
BayneNothos wrote:
This'll be interesting. Glad there's no K SPace connection, I like being out in deep space.

How will you be assigning the new statics? Opposite of current as in C1-3's get a C4-6 and vise versa? Or completely random selection?


I am very curious of this myself and with all these people leaving C4 space i won't have to invade their hole when theirs has better dual statics then my C4. Twisted
Farsuth Khand
The Martial Virtues Foundation
#88 - 2014-08-07 04:21:02 UTC
Blah, no thanks.

More connections is not the issue. You can easily find Wh connections. The problem is finding people online and playing. That is your sticking point. If you reworked PvE content so people would log in to play on a nearly daily basis rather then just to shuffle reaction around or do a little PI. MAKE PVE FUN! that way you will get people logging in. That is how you get player interaction.

Also, remember one of the big draws for Wh living is the isolation. You can be a space hermit in WH space. No place in Eve has the frontier feel that living in a C4 gives you . Adding more statics and increasing the random WH spawn rate will reduce that unique feel. Is it really worth providing a small increase in ganks to potentially eliminate that unique Eve lifestyle?
Winthorp
#89 - 2014-08-07 04:22:59 UTC
Farsuth Khand wrote:
Blah, no thanks.

More connections is not the issue. You can easily find Wh connections. The problem is finding people online and playing. That is your sticking point. If you reworked PvE content so people would log in to play on a nearly daily basis rather then just to shuffle reaction around or do a little PI. MAKE PVE FUN! that way you will get people logging in. That is how you get player interaction.

Also, remember one of the big draws for Wh living is the isolation. You can be a space hermit in WH space. No place in Eve has the frontier feel that living in a C4 gives you . Adding more statics and increasing the random WH spawn rate will reduce that unique feel. Is it really worth providing a small increase in ganks to potentially eliminate that unique Eve lifestyle?


If you want isolation go rent a dead end nullsec pocket.
Farsuth Khand
The Martial Virtues Foundation
#90 - 2014-08-07 04:32:02 UTC
Fish McCragg wrote:
...

I just wish there was somewhere in eve that smaller corps like mine could fly dangerously and still remain profitable. We had that in our C4, but it looks like it won't last much longer.


Yup, Wh space was one of the few areas that a small corp could hold their own space. A lot of that ability was simply due to its isolation. I wont call this a Doomesday patch for them, but it does seem that the haven of C4 space will be diminished or gone. Kinda sad. CCP supports large corps well, but just seems like they do not think about providing game space for the smaller corps.
Farsuth Khand
The Martial Virtues Foundation
#91 - 2014-08-07 04:37:06 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Farsuth Khand wrote:
Blah, no thanks.

More connections is not the issue. You can easily find Wh connections. The problem is finding people online and playing. That is your sticking point. If you reworked PvE content so people would log in to play on a nearly daily basis rather then just to shuffle reaction around or do a little PI. MAKE PVE FUN! that way you will get people logging in. That is how you get player interaction.

Also, remember one of the big draws for Wh living is the isolation. You can be a space hermit in WH space. No place in Eve has the frontier feel that living in a C4 gives you . Adding more statics and increasing the random WH spawn rate will reduce that unique feel. Is it really worth providing a small increase in ganks to potentially eliminate that unique Eve lifestyle?


If you want isolation go rent a dead end nullsec pocket.


At a much higher cost and you are not holding your own space. You are just a lacky.

I like Wh space. I don't really like the way null sec works. At least not a much as WH space.
Winthorp
#92 - 2014-08-07 04:38:45 UTC
Farsuth Khand wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
Farsuth Khand wrote:
Blah, no thanks.

More connections is not the issue. You can easily find Wh connections. The problem is finding people online and playing. That is your sticking point. If you reworked PvE content so people would log in to play on a nearly daily basis rather then just to shuffle reaction around or do a little PI. MAKE PVE FUN! that way you will get people logging in. That is how you get player interaction.

Also, remember one of the big draws for Wh living is the isolation. You can be a space hermit in WH space. No place in Eve has the frontier feel that living in a C4 gives you . Adding more statics and increasing the random WH spawn rate will reduce that unique feel. Is it really worth providing a small increase in ganks to potentially eliminate that unique Eve lifestyle?


If you want isolation go rent a dead end nullsec pocket.


At a much higher cost and you are not holding your own space. You are just a lacky.

I like Wh space. I don't really like the way null sec works. At least not a much as WH space.


Well then get on board and accept this change and start looking at what statics would better suit your corp, or look at another Wh class.
Thea Nalelmir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2014-08-07 05:01:30 UTC
We went through a lot of trials and heartaches to get into a C4 including eviction ops. So that leaves me with my biggest question; what will the new statics for C4s be?

After living in a C6 for about a year we finally decided that we just couldn't cover the C6 well enough, we moved out and found ourselves a C4 with a C3 static. We can do what we want to do, and have the ability to expel most invaders. Now this 2nd static has the potential to uproot us again. That is our major concern with the WH changes as a whole. Let's face it the jump range is a joke at best it will be figured out in about a week maybe 2 weeks at most, more likely 3-4 days. WH stats = awesome; more random WHs = awesome; low mass WHs = scanners delight; bookmarks = implementation of a "why did we not think of that a year ago moment".

After reading the forum and to alleviate the "scary" possibility getting C5 or C6 static, can the second static be a Random Static? This way you still get that thoroughfare dynamic without forcing current C4 occupants to play roulette with a "bad C4" yeah the random 2nd static may suck but it won't ALWAYS suck.
Sanuki Sukuuvestaa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-08-07 05:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sanuki Sukuuvestaa
Winthorp wrote:
Well then get on board and accept this change and start looking at what statics would better suit your corp, or look at another Wh class.


So what your saying is, since CCP wants more activity in C4 space, you think that telling those that actually live there already to GTFO ? Sounds like great logic.. Lets make it a highway for easy gankaccess between C1-3 and C5-6 then, interaction is what we want! Never mind it coming at the cost of being able to live in that class.

Give C5 or C6 a 2nd static instead, one thats always connected to 1-3, that should solve your problem if ganking single rattingtargets with your 20-man T3+guardians fleets is what you want instead of real fights. That would probably make everyone happy, just dont turn my home into the interstate cause you want smaller groups to hunt.

The C4 residents are actually a well diverse group in terms of activity. If you wanna paint someone as carebears, take a look at the C6>C1 groups that multibox cap-escalations but never move outside force fields when others connect.. Just cause we're few, don't mean we're only doing pve.. Chances are we aren't home cause we're out hunting you instead of waiting for you to come to us..
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#95 - 2014-08-07 05:59:58 UTC
As former C5 / C6 and currently C4 occupant, ill throw my opinion.

Reason why double static C2 flourish is simple - hisec + farming space.

C4s have farming space +? anything ? so great, get C5? log off, wait til it goes away. Thats really great. How does that help C4s I dont get? Since C4s are useless for caps, its silly to predict PVP because of double static. Bigger group will poo on little guys.

OH wait, the nullbloc style incoming.

GJ CCP.
the Infenro
Skybreakers
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#96 - 2014-08-07 06:03:57 UTC
overall i like the idea of c4's getting 2 statics i really think this would help interconnect wormhole space.
Norwin Meinhorn
Cervus Venator
#97 - 2014-08-07 06:13:11 UTC
Please, add Capital Escalation Wave to the WH-systems of all classes! Let this waves be different in the number of ships or their class. But the situation when you can earn 1 billion per hour in WH C5, and not more than 200 million in C4, is ridiculous.
Kp Amelia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2014-08-07 07:06:52 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Farsuth Khand wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
Farsuth Khand wrote:
Blah, no thanks.

More connections is not the issue. You can easily find Wh connections. The problem is finding people online and playing. That is your sticking point. If you reworked PvE content so people would log in to play on a nearly daily basis rather then just to shuffle reaction around or do a little PI. MAKE PVE FUN! that way you will get people logging in. That is how you get player interaction.

Also, remember one of the big draws for Wh living is the isolation. You can be a space hermit in WH space. No place in Eve has the frontier feel that living in a C4 gives you . Adding more statics and increasing the random WH spawn rate will reduce that unique feel. Is it really worth providing a small increase in ganks to potentially eliminate that unique Eve lifestyle?


If you want isolation go rent a dead end nullsec pocket.


At a much higher cost and you are not holding your own space. You are just a lacky.

I like Wh space. I don't really like the way null sec works. At least not a much as WH space.


Well then get on board and accept this change and start looking at what statics would better suit your corp, or look at another Wh class.


Why do you feel the need to add your 5cents every time someone comments with a different view to you? You are insulting people in this thread calling them bears and swinging you d... around like you are the best Pvper alive.

Your argument is actually very flawed. I am clearly a Pvper, my two co-owner of our C4 are Pvpers, one being on the top 10 in Eve list last month, but we use our C4 to fund our Pvp not to create it.

The only thing this patch will do is benefit large wormhole entities while completely screwing over small groups. CCP claim to be wanting to improve desire for C4s while all this patch will do is make them less desirable.

I will say the same thing I have been whining about in this whole thread, CCP if you want to increase risk you need to increase reward, or you are just going to have one more broken system added to your rapidly growing list.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#99 - 2014-08-07 07:16:47 UTC
This is an awesome change. It makes a completely ignored part of w-space usable for small-medium corps that actually want to "interact" with other w-space corporations.

c4 w-space highway :)
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#100 - 2014-08-07 07:29:10 UTC
Having been a C4 resident for a while. I oppose this change creating some sort of C4 super highway.




That being said, I don't give a rats ass anymore since I'm not in C4 space anymore. Thank you for waiting until I moved out of C4 space. Lol