Wormholes

Bat - crazy.

That is the most concise description of the suggested change yet.

Now, being as Fozzy is not bat - crazy, who suggested this change? And who suggested it would be good for wormhole space?

Dear god, please do not let it be Mr make it more pssssssh! ?

Is removing ore sites from ship system scan and returning them to being probed sites in those changes?

Still a better page numbe vs Dev response ratio than the Rapid Missile thread....

So what you're saying is that WH'ers caught Fozzie with his hand in the WH "cookie jar" and now he's doing damage control? That's crazy talk! Remember, Fozzie told us that know one is out to get us, and if we can't trust CCP to take player feedback into account when they launch new features then who can we trust?
I almost managed to type that with a straight face, almost. You would think that they would have learned by now that we get pretty irritable when they try to ninja **** in like this. If i tried to ninja a free account I would be banned but when they change the entire foundation of how a wormhole works we're just supposed to lube up and wait? Fozziebear, the majority of responses in this thread have expressed numerous and valid concerns that you have done nothing to alleviate. Yes, I understand that quieting player concerns is hard to do when you're busy ninja-coding a new feature but maybe, just maybe, your life would be a little easier if you had brought this up before hand. What do you think? Is that a reasonable request?

Also, you might have noticed that Cyberdyne has been pretty busy and I think that most of the outrage that was cleaned up was due to the fact that you deceived your player base intentionally. We had to stumble upon this ourselves or else we wouldn't have known anything about it until you had already coded it and had it ready to go live. Can you understand just how slimy that seems from our end? Maybe next time you can get a larger number of polite responses if you stop trying to slip stuff past your players and actually involve the people who are subscribing to your game.

Have a nice day,

definition of other side?
Also? More Dusettes?

Yeah, you guys really think there will be a devresponse? Fozzie already stated there will be a devblog and they are not going to risk getting **** on for one part of the "revamp".



Under the premise the numbers for caps haven´t changed:
Mass: Pod 32000 kg ->5km
Mega around 100M -> 9km
Archon 1100M ->35 km

Have fun getting the numerics on this curve.
So even in a pod chances are good you´ll get popped before you can jump back. So if I´m hauling ships in I have to use a frig with propmod every time to be sure. This is ********. Last time I moved I already had to jump 30+ frigs-cruisers out one by one since orca would have murdered the hole too fast. Ofc I could just have clonejumped into an empty pod and be revieved in my POS. Oh no wait, that was nullsec....
With these changes you can now easily camp holes, without having to follow the target and get polarized youself.
Newsflash CCP, some of us in wormholespace like our holemechanics and don´t like gates. There are even really crazy people like me who like fighting on highsecs. Way harder to get killmails but if I´d like easy I´d only play on my FW toon. Trying to survive through polarization, crossjumping, forced polarization, etc all those nice tactics neglected by duming down. With these changes it all turns into gatecrashing and praying against 90% webs.
The only benefit anyone can see coming from this change is the higher risk at closing a c5/6. Farmers do that once a farmrun, maybe twice, so it really doesnt phase them much. PvP entities will hate their lives when rolling for content and if they roll into each other and see they can´t fight because bad numbers on one side they will just agree to let one side roll freely or log off.
I´ll stop thinking about this chance because I might go bald over it.
I really hope this devblog is almost ready, but I am not expecting anything but good intentions and horrible implementation.

Also I just reread the first line of Fozzie´s post about sigdelay:
Team Five O has been working on a few concepts for improvements to wormhole mechanics and we wanted to run one idea by you all to start some discussion in the community. 2014.03.23
So this "idea" about spawndistance probably has been on the table for 5+ months, esp if it really came from Chitsa/WH roundtable. I won´t even bother to look for the last devresponse there but I bet it is 4+ months old. I´ll just stop here otherwise ISD might happen.

Why stop?
I wont - if you are right then we are already screwd, because none will probably even look at our opinion and it will be like with spread after opening data or relic can - it was implemented and removed year later...
I hope you are wrong.

On the other hand CCP Gargant - PR guy - didn't know about this (hes on vacations) or didn't want to share it with us during our meeting and drinking here in Warsaw...

I'm kinda more and more concern about silence form CCP out this all...

What other things did you suggest to CCP while you were CSM?

No disrespect intended, but would that be a shake up comparable to throwing a hand grenade into a teenagers room hoping things might somehow land in a better order?

Because ... Well views are pretty clear.

Such a shame they wasted developer time on something so clearly a bad idea.

Why not just invert the changes? Small things exit a WH further away and big things exit closer.

This way kiting/shield cruiser fleets can actually be a viable meta. It would result in a much larger variety of fleet compositions rather than just brawling armor fleets.