Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've though that for a long time but i doubt CCP are as wise as you and I.

I have a solution to all of this. Bring back the nanophoon in all of its glory i miss my 5km/s phoon.

what about a 10% damage per level bonus for 6 guns coupled with 7.5% for tracking speed per level? You'd still get a utility high out of it and it'd be equally amazing for AC and Arty.

no I did not said that I said that the statement is invalid only that. But the tempest sacrifices 2 bonuses to damage, then yes it should be a high dps battleship. Would not be strange if the dominix had only 25m drone bay and therefore a bad drone boat while havign all its bonuses dedicated to drones?

Top speed of the tempest btw is brely higher then the megatron, and it is higher because I PESTERED rise for a hundred pages until he adjusted the speed of the tempest to not be the same as the mega.

The selectable damage types is almost mythical. Effectively you will be able to select damage types only when gankign something. On serious combat you will use either of the t2 ammunition that are explosive.

Taht woudl be the most owrthless battleship ever!!!

Peopel dont get simple math? 5% damage per level have the same effect on a target that is outtrackign you barely than 5% tracking bonus per level! With the advantage that when the target is not moving you do more damage.

Please people. Use math a bit!

tracking can always be replaced under the guns formula for more raw damage. If your tracking makes you lose 50% of yoru dps you can overcome that by havign twice the raw DPS.... or doublign your tracking ( that was a raw unprecise statement jsut to transmit the general Idea.. that a tracking bonus is THE WEAKEST of all the gun bonuses).

I had missed this post when reading the discussion earlier. I'm glad to see that battleships are on CCPs radar, at least in some respect. I do, however think that the problem with battleships is more than just bombers, as bombers are powerful against t3s, HACs and basically any other massed doctrine. I personally feel like bombers are in a good place right now, the require a lot of practice and co-ordination and are incredibly vulnerable to mishaps on the field.

I think you'll find that the issue is that battleships just don't bring enough to the field to justify their use. They don't have enough DPS, tank, or combat endurance to justify their slow speed, lock times, and poor damage application. If you were to take the approach of rebalancing other ships to rectify problems with battleships, I think you'd find that you'll just end up changing every other ship to bring them back into the meta-game.

Bring battleships into their role. Sub-capital heavy hitters with good combat endurance; let them be slow, let them have lower tracking and warp speed, that's fine, but give them something in return for it. DPS, tank, and endurance. Battleships shouldn't be outgunned, out-tanked, and out-lasted by smaller ship sizes, period.

Give every battleship a 25% role bonus to DPS, a 50% increase across the board to HP, and a 100% bonus to drone bay, cargo hold, and capacitor size. Introduce XL sizes of local reps, plates, shield extenders, and cap boosters, and give battleships the fitting to use them. Rebalance cap batteries, introduce active protection high slots, ancillary smart bombs, hell maybe even add an upgraded DCU type module that prevents you from joining a fleet or getting reps, but in return give you a bit of a combat edge while going it solo. Shake up the meta, diversify things, make the game fun again. Hell, buff combat battle-cruisers while you're at it.

pure sentry ishtars are easy meat.

There have already been nerfs to sentries and now to the Ishtar. Still the Ishtar problem if there is one is nothing like the Drake problem of old. Anyway, further nerfage is misguided at this point. Sentry usage does come with not insignificant drawbacks.

The only thing that makes some sense in this discussion is possibly some ewar countering to drone use. But to simply thorw another ability onto ecm jammers and ecm boats would ruin the currently and very welcome damping down of ecm power (after many years "of Falcon").
The devs have stated they wanted to do something with painters (buff) and rework of ecm (change this horrible mechanic).

To throw some drone control counter ability to painters would make some sense now that Amarr use drones heavily. Say somehow the painted ship overloads the drone control communications and reduces tracking or range on the drones, or reduces the drone control range. Whatever, as long as the effect is not totally disabling (as with ecm).

Alternately, further nerf ecm, but give caldari recons a new anti drone control module.

But I really think this should go to Minmatar painters. Ecm can stay as it is, as horrid as it is, because it has been nerfed already to some semblance of tolerability. Painters however are such weak sauce that buffing them with anti-drone effects would give them more reason to be fit, and give the Vigil some reason to be on the battlefield.

I really like this idea +1 from me.

The movement of the fleet / ship / drone will nerf the tracking and lower its applied DPS. Would also force the fleets to fight face to face rather than drop and run. I think it works.

Can anyone poke holes in this?

I've got an even better idea, let's stick the sentry to the hull of ship that launch them.