Player Features and Ideas Discussion

8-4-7 tempest .. stronger armour tank over phoon .. might at least position it in a better armour tanker option than phoon and ofc Maelstrom .. seems okay too me .... more mobility aswell..

Is there a timetable for the Ishtar and other HAC changes to go live? I.e., will these changes be going live before, during, or after the Alliance Tournament?

Thanks!

GG

Edit: Nevermind, I misread the title and didn't put 2+2 together that this was for the Hyperion release coming in September lol!! (Thanks Gizznitt for pointing that out!)

Harpy nerf? No? o-okay

Hi Rise.
You've heard it before, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Remove sentry drones from Ishtar. With sentries, the Ishtar got both the DPS and the Range of a Batleship, which is somewhat out of order for a super speedy Cruiser hull.
All other HACs got either range or DPS comparable to Battleships, but not both. It don't make sense.

These changes do nothing to affect the issue with the Ishtar (it has battleship-level DPS weapons that can hit nearly anything with virtually no downside). You would have been better off not doing anything to the ishtar than essentially redoing the paint because at least doing nothing wouldn't be quite as insulting.

Do you even know how important the tracking bonus is on ishtar?
It will still be used yes but this nerf puts it into line with other hacs.

You should nerf harpies.

I still don't think ships like the abaddon or hyperion are fieldable because of their "exceptional performance in a niche" its extremely underwhelming and I'd rather bring a battleship or equivalent that can fill that niche as well as do other things. I think the Abaddon and Hyperion's massive capacitor problems (especially the Abaddon) make them very difficult to use and apply. I find countless fits that must use heavy capacitor boosters because the abaddon and other similar ships simply cannot be viable at all without them.

Because of this I feel that why should I ever bring an abaddon when any other battleship fills the role far better? Yes the abaddon has its massive tank and such but its not very good at anything else because of mobility, cap problems I just don't think its applicable as anything other than a brick, a heavy nearly unthrowable brick. Why bring an abaddon when I can field other battleships that have just as good tank and better DPS applications (or role applications for that matter) because they don't have capacitor problems!

I feel that while I would prefer to keep its flexibility in shield tanking since shield tempests are a thing, the more important thing to look at for it are its bonuses. It currently suffers the distinction as being the only "attack" battleship gunship without any damage projection or application bonuses, and while it CAN be argued that projectiles have superior range and tracking and thus don't need said bonuses, it's a poor case to make compared to laser ships like the Apocalypse.

A tweak I would recommend that's been talked about would be to bring it up to a full 8 guns, and drop the firing rate bonus on it in favor of a tracking bonus. Not only would this give you a desirable alternate artillery platform to the tornado and maelstrom, it would cement its role as an "attack" battleship very nicely, as currently it remains the only shield attack battleship that use guns as its primary weapon system.

This would help it distinguish it from its counterparts better, and it would help define its role a little more clearly. It gets crowded out by the tornado and maelstrom quite a bit, and giving it a tracking bonus would help it immensely.

Short of this if you think it would be too overpowered, could you possibly give the Tempest Fleet issue the 8 guns and tracking bonus? Make it a giant Stabber Fleet Issue?

TLDR; Tempest should keep its slots, but change its bonuses from 5% dmg and 5% firing rate to an 8 gun ship with 5% damage and 7.5% tracking speed per level.

EDIT: After taking a look at things and thinking it over a bit, I'm going to amend my earlier statement and go all in for the tempest. It should get the same treatment and slot loadout as the hyperion, with dropping a high for a low, going for a 10% damage bonus and a 7.5% tracking speed bonus, and a 7 gun setup with those bonuses with the current slots intact, since it was pointed out that keeping 6 guns with a 10% damage bonus earlier would amount to a DPS drop. So yeah; 8/5/6 slot loadout as it is now, but 10% damage and 7.5% tracking speed buff for 7 guns.

What are your thoughts on that setup, Rise?

Wow lets just go from overpowered to goddamn useless ok?

No, taking standard drone bonus down would make it useless.

I think it's a projectiles problem. they just have no dps at any ranges, ever. but a general weapons rebalance seems unlikely, considering how long this non-change has taken.