Jita Park Speakers Corner

War declaration mechanics. Is CCP going to leave them as is or fix them? Since CCP's policy change (i.e., giving permission to use previously-disallowed exploits) there is little point in wardeccing any corporation. Avoiding wardecs is now trivial. Because of this, all player-owned highsec structures are untouchable. Will CCP be bringing back CONCORD approved PvP to highsec?

Will there be another fireside chat beforehand?

Just ask CCP if they plan to address the wardec system, Seleene, and an approximate date for release. Do put forward anything ridiculous like the above suggestion. (I know you know better, anyhow, Seleene.)

Actually, no they don't. They represent the people who voted for them, based on the platform on which they ran. They also represent anyone who agrees with their views, even if they did not vote for them.

Unless a nuthugger carebear got voted to the CSM, you likely have no one to represent you, Ehnea.

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I never launched a war against anyone so what Ehnea said doesn't affect me. Ehnea is entitled to his opinion, though. No player can tell another not to suggest anything if they are paying a sub. The CSM can ignore it but Ehnea can still post it.

My 0.02 ISK worth.



Nope. Ehnea said in his proposal you would still have to pay for saying no and the other party wins.

"Thursday"

Serious post:

I want the concept of risk:reward to be looked at, and balanced across similar activities. You can make less ISK in most wormholes than you can in a highsec Incursion, and wormholes are nullsec with no local channel. That is ****** up. If 100+mil an hour is to be kept in highsec, then the rewards of riskier space need to be ramped up to compensate.

I would like to hear what CCP have to say about:

1. All the stuff about high sec becoming too safe. (wardecs exploits and fixes, wardec changes, concord buffs, insurance)

2. All the stuff about economics becoming screwed up in game. (incursions, plex, incursions, market stuff, and incursions)

3. The whiteboard with all the stuff about making null better and more accessible, what happened to it?

4. HTFU, do they still possess this quality? (any examples to show they do would be nice)

5. Consensual PvP equals the death of EVE make them understand that or tell me that they dont so I can leave now.

6. I want lots more stuff that can be built or deployed in space, dont care what, so make this happen

And I am going to whore my own wardec changes thread to give some balance to the carebear push in this one https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22037

Consensual PVP ? Are u actually serious ?

I missed that as well. When I first read it, I thought it was a rehash from his previous post in another forum so I skimmed. Ehnea also suggested an extended cooldown period before the same aggressor corp can launch a new war. Instead of a cooldown, I suggest a diminishing returns model: penalty fee payout declines with each spam-dec launched by the same corp.

I propose two ways to get around the CEO scarfing the ISK before refusing the challenge. The first is a snapshot of the financials at the time war is declared, before the CEO decides to pull a fast one. This may not work as well if the CEO decides to keep all the money in his personal wallet to counter subsequent wars. In that case, my second suggestion is to charge a fixed penalty fee based on the size of the corp that refused the challenge. Again a snapshot can be taken at the time war is declared but this time on the membership size.

I also want to suggest something for the summit

i) Incorporaiton

Requiring a fleet, not one person, to create a corp (perhaps a fleet of 5?). This will cut down on the clutter of all these one-man home offices in the corp database. This will also put more serious thought into creating a corp and the ISK involved.

A warning to appear about the risks of incorporation, including the possibility of being a war target, before the corp is formed.

Shares that actually mean something

ii) A re-evaluation of all ships and modules for each empire, to ensure they are more or less balanced and something is not broken.

Quote:

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger."
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

This is very true and I'm just going to say, once again, that anyone who chooses to just throw out labels (the null-sec CSM, etc..) you're robbing yourself of a potential ear to your issues. The current CSM may not seemed 'well balanced' at a glance, but look a bit deeper and you might be surprised. One advantage of a 'veteran' CSM is that most of us ran for CSM not because of a bad last year or two of decisions by CCP but because of frustrations that go all the way back to the launch of the game.

I've been playing EVE since April of 2003. I mined Omber for three weeks to get the money for a Maller BPO because that was literally the only way you could fly one - build it yourself! I've been a CEO for most of that time. Corp mining ops, running an industrial corp, building everything from Rifters to Outposts and supercaps, etc.. I created and ran Mercenary Coalition which was primarily an Empire War alliance for the first two years. I ended up working at CCP for over three years in Game Design and, let me tell you, nothing else wipes out your prejudices about "null sec" or "carebears" faster than having to actually work on various aspects of the game and really understanding how interconnected all of these elements are. Today, I'm in Pandemic Legion because I'm still an old mercenary at heart and PL is the best place for that sort of thing. Add it all up and I really don't have an opinion about NULL SEC versus HIGH SEC or all that crap. I just want the game as a whole to improve and so does the rest of the CSM.

Every CSM member could probably write a paragraph like the above. We are a lot more varied and 'deep' than the haters want to give us credit for. For all the **** everyone likes to throw at Mittens, he spends a hell of a lot of time asking other CSM members and players questions about stuff and then moves to act on it. If he's prejudiced against anything but supercaps (which I can't blame him for tbh) I haven't seen it. Trebor and Messia are impossible to label in terms of what they support because they are cynical and knowledgeable about everything. The CSM alts like Two Step and Prometheus have been invaluable when it comes to discussions with CCP about various balance issues.

My point is that even if you think you don't have someone on the CSM representing, you might very well be wrong. We're a pretty varied crew and I think the composition and experience of this CSM is a big reason why we're getting EVE Online: Crucible and not EVE: NPC Dance Challenge.

While we're talking about it, let's just be honest and admit that Crucible is the 'low hanging fruit'. This expansion is full of everything that should have already been taking place over the last 2+ years. It's great stuff and I take nothing away from the hard work being done to get it all done but it's also the 'easy' stuff in the sense that it really wasn't that hard to find things to do / fix / iterate. The hard part starts after Crucible. It's still up to us as players and the CSM to help keep CCP ummm... 'focused'.

As I've said previously, what we're looking at right now with the amount of resources that have been refocused on EVE is the potential for an 'Apocrypha' every 3-4 months. That's not bullshit, it's actually possible due to the fact that there are literally five times the number of teams working on EVE today as there were two months ago. The actual content of what is to come is certainly going to be the subject of most of the December summit. I saw a comment on Twitter a couple days ago that referred to Crucible as a 'tactical' expansion in preparation for the more 'strategic' stuff still to come. That's pretty accurate. As Mittens said, in the aftermath of the 'October War', everyone is gearing up for the inevitable 'Feature War'.

Will CCP stay the course? Based on what we've seen recently I'd say, for at least the next year, yes. What will happen over the next year is anyone's guess but, aside from the 20% stuff, morale within the office is way up primarily because folks are getting a chance to work on the things they've been banging their heads against the wall about for years. I'd say we're looking at a solid 12 months of full throttle EVE EVE EVE before CCP takes their foot off the gas. That's fine with me for now because when the people working on the game are doing stuff that they WANT to do and actually have the resources and mandate to do it on a level that's never existed before, we'll probably see EVE evolve quite a lot in the next year.

I'm not all starry-eyed and rainbows about it all, but the immediate future looks good and we should all do everything we can to use this opportunity to help get the game where we want it to be.