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Is the Naga dead to you, or are you still excited for it?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2011-11-17 22:28:30 UTC
It's still the best-looking of the tier-3s, so yes…
Augustus Royal
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-11-17 22:43:28 UTC
(I doubt this post will have any weight on this thread and it might make delicious troll bait... but)

As a relatively new EVE player (read tons about the game for a few years before trying), and as a pilot that focuses on Missiles...

I am disappoint :(
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#23 - 2011-11-17 22:56:02 UTC
Naga is everything a hybrid boat should be, shield tanked, damage bonus, range bonus.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#24 - 2011-11-17 23:00:24 UTC
Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2011-11-17 23:01:01 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
Naga is everything a hybrid boat should be, shield tanked, damage bonus, range bonus.


I think the problem is a lot of mission bears were looking forward to an 8 torp platform to farm missions with.


In CCP's mind, this would have been the ONLY ship in game that fielded 8 torps (don't talk about the state raven or whatever it is theres like 4 left in game, all likely locked in an unsubbed hangar).

The DPS output from 8 torp launchers would have unbalanced so much that they decided not to do it, or if they did the ship would have needed to be seriously gimped in its fitting ability, so much so that people would have whined about that instead.

So, you get the Rokhs little brother instead of the ship that outclasses the Raven and Golem in every way.

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Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-11-17 23:02:34 UTC
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.

Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.

The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.

As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari.


As a Gallente pilot I for one am more excited about the Naga than the Talos, and by excited I mean... meh.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2011-11-17 23:06:29 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears.

You keep posting everything I intend to before me.

Damnit.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-11-17 23:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
OT Smithers wrote:
. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous.


And who's fault is that?

Caldari have been using Hybrids since the game started.

Every ship any noob has encountered has presented the race as both missiles and hybrids- not secondary, but both equal in terms of use in space.

This is not like it is with Minmatar and missiles, rails are and always have been just as important to Caldari as missiles. The ONLY reason that you haven't seen them trained is because CCP has ignored hybrids for going on 3 years... until now.

Since the Rokh, Caldari has received nothing but missile bonused ships. Golem. Scorpion Navy Issue. Tengu.

The Tengu.

The Caldari T3 ship is a missile ship.

Edit: Inappropriate language removed, CCP Phantom.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Destiny Corrupted
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#29 - 2011-11-17 23:16:22 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Since the Rokh, Caldari has received nothing but missile bonused ships. Golem. Scorpion Navy Issue. Tengu.

The motherfucking Tengu.

The Caldari T3 ship is a missile ship.

Shut the **** up you have a goddamned Tengu. Whining bitches.

Blink

Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2011-11-17 23:17:49 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?


Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2011-11-17 23:26:32 UTC
OT Smithers wrote:
The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous.
Eh, what?

Assuming we use T2 as some silly (and rather incorrect) measure of “properly”, that's…

Small, Medium, Large hybrids, Gunnery, Motion Prediction and Sharpshooter to V (14 ranks, 3.6M SP)
Small, Medium, and Large Blaster/Rail spec to IV (32 ranks, 1.5M SP)
The remaining support skills to IV (13 ranks, 0.6M SP)

That 5.6M SP total to train, which can be done in less than 90 days.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#32 - 2011-11-17 23:34:58 UTC
To be fair, it was terrible as a missile boat.

Oops I moved, sorry, your 8 torps just caused 60 damage to my Claymore.

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Adunh Slavy
#33 - 2011-11-17 23:47:02 UTC
I'll be getting one of each for hangar decor, hopefully they are also worth flying.

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Ushra'Khan
#34 - 2011-11-17 23:50:48 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.

How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?



Agreed!

Why are there TWO blaster boats when CCP Tallest says that Blaster still aren't fixed ...

I REALLY wanted a TORP boat!
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Just Lilly
#35 - 2011-11-17 23:51:09 UTC
Put a SB with scan res script and a AB on you raven and you'll have a Ranaga P
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#36 - 2011-11-17 23:54:59 UTC
Thank you CCP for officially recognizing that torpedoes suck.

As I'm currently in a Hurricane (I spent about 2 weeks training all T1 turrets plus gunnery skills to 4), I'm more likely to be in a Tornado than a Naga now.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#37 - 2011-11-18 00:27:34 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Thank you CCP for officially recognizing that torpedoes suck.

As I'm currently in a Hurricane (I spent about 2 weeks training all T1 turrets plus gunnery skills to 4), I'm more likely to be in a Tornado than a Naga now.

I'm glad that you finally have seen the light. Big smile

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#38 - 2011-11-18 00:34:59 UTC
10 bucks says those things would have been bigger lagtastics than Drakes and that's the real reason why they yanked the missiles launchers.

It would take too long to gank Hulks with them. P



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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-11-18 00:57:59 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:


Blink

Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?[/quote]
not even worth mentioning.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-11-18 01:03:50 UTC
I was having great fun with it having torps on. You could literally fit anything to it, 2 jammers, web+scram, tracking disruptor... But oh well.