Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A BS would have to fit 4 unpenalized percentage based mods to match the absolute speed increase of an interceptor with 1. A freighter would need 6 to do the same. Proportionally that means a BS would need half or more of it's lows to get the same benefit an interceptor would have with 33% or 25% of it's lowslot capacity. Freighters just won't be able to.

Considering how much rigs already severely favor smaller ships, there is no reason for another mod to further spread the gap.

I actually don't know when that was. If I was around, I was a high/lowsec player.

However AoE doomsday doesn't exist anymore. In fact doomsdays can't even target subcaps now iirc.

So it doesn't seem crazy to me if a Titan wants to give up rigs, all of its lowslots, and a highgrade implant set, to warp at the blistering fast speed of 6.2au/sec, it doesn't seem overpowered. It would be a terribly fit titan, and a risk all on its own.

Nice design.

The flat amount bonus was clever, since it is only the slowest ships which needed a significant warp speed buff, and a multiplier would have been OP for the fastest ships. And, although they provide more benefit for the slower ships, players can still use them to eke out a minor warp speed buff to the fastest ships, too, so it isn't completely useless for them - depending on circumstances.

The use of a module to implement the buff - rather than tweaking ship stats - was also well done, since it introduces yet another tradeoff to be considered when fitting ships, which is exactly how the sandbox should work.

Stacking penalized T1 warp speed rigs in Kronos:
1 rig = 1.2 multiplier to warp speed
2 rigs = 1.41
3 rigs = 1.57

2 AU/s BS:
(2 + .2 * 3) / 2 = 1.3 (2AU/s + 3 of the 0.2 hyperspatial modules)
(2 + .3 * 3) / 2 = 1.45

2.2 AU/s T2 BS:
(2.2 + .2 * 3) / 2.2 = 1.27
(2.2 + .3 * 3) / 2.2 = 1.41

Mach @ 3AU/s in Kronos:
(3 + .2 * 3) / 3 = 1.2
(3 + .3 * 3) / 3 = 1.3


Glass Is Half Empty - Once again, missile battleships are getting screwed over in terms of warp speed modifiers. Can't use the slot 6 warp speed implant due to cruise/torp implants using slot 6. Can't use the warp speed rigs because you need missile rigs (rigor, flare, missile speed/range.) Can't use the new low-slot hyperspatial modules due to a lack of lows.

tl;dr - It's an interesting start, but *whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine*

No it isn't.

A HIC also has the option to fit these mods to increase its warp speed. Who warps in a titan anyway? Every titan pilot i know uses a jumpdrive as their main mode of transportation.

I'll say it again, these mods should be designed to bridge the warp speed gap between frigates and everything bigger. They need a bigger AU bonus to benefit slow ships but a large PG requirement to make it hard for frigates to fit them. IMO anything else is bad game design.

^ This poorly thought out argument does not clarify why a fast warping titan would be OP.

The fact is, they would have no significant advantage and in most cases, fitting warp speed mods in place of damag/tank would make for a weaker titan.

TBH i don't give a **** about titans anyway, i want these mods to make BC and BS viable for roaming gangs again.

For the third time, you're talking absolute crap and your arguments are not backed up by how this game is actually played.

As i said, a HIC can fit warp speed mods if needed and it could do it's job fine. The danger of fast warping titans zipping around the solar system blapping targets before anyone can get a point is simply not a reality of this game.

Your lack of intelligent and logical thinking is not an excuse for the promotion of convoluted and bad game design.

I'm sure this isn't the first time you've been added to a blocked list. Fy safe in your 4 au titan o/

CCP Fozie here is a Jump Gate tactic that might be able to be turned into a new module.

Warp Skipping - Here is a new tactic that will benefit those with Hotspot Connections. It really can't be considered an exploit because it is based off of internet lag.

When jumping from one gate into a new system while using a Hotspot Connection open up a search browser session and let it lag for maybe ten seconds. During this time you should see the distance to land disappear from the screen and then the system name as well. Once both of these information groups have disappeared close the still connecting search browser down which will return the environment session to a normal state. Once the lag in game returns to normal you will have landed in the system at around 50km from the gate and will then be instantly warped away in a random direction from the gate automatically where you will wind up in the middle of nowhere.

This could considered an exploit but I am not certain how CCP would handle it being an exploit because it involves the natural mechanics of playing Eve Online through a Hotspot while trying to establish a search session on the Internet.

Basically the effect is similar to a Micro Warp Jump Depot zone of influence being present in the area where you jump into after the lag has returned to normal.

Actually Skip Warping places you approximately half way between the last gate and the nest gate being warped to when waypoints are used.

That's all well and good but i get annoyed when people argue without backing up their statements with practical examples.

Perhaps you could better explain why a fast warping titan would suddenly break the game. It seems to me that their slow align time would provide ample opportunity for HICs and interdictiors to catch them.

I don't think niche examples should prevent CCP from implementing useful mods. After the warp speed changes, anything bigger that a battle cruiser is too slow IMO and these ships need a mod that greatly increases their warp seed. A 0.3 AU increase in place of extra damage/tank, is simply not enough... If fast warping titans become a problem, they can be addressed later.

I retract my argument for the limit of 3 mods due to baltec's reasoning. I hadn't considered it warping faster than a hic/dic to be a serious problem because where would they warp to? A gate? If they were going to get out they'd jump, and they'd still align like barges. So even if they had warped to a safe they could be probed down easily. I mean, they are almost the size of a station.

Then I remembered Supercaps and titans can also fit cloaks. I felt silly and decided to admit I was wrong.

Sorry for being silly and wrong.