Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Scrams are perfectly viable and relevant for solo and small gang. However using them may require piloting skills and tactics, which some people may not have, relying instead on rock/paper/scissors level pvp boosted by off-grid links.

Scrams are NOT viable solo on the absolute majority of scenario, irrelevant of your skills. IF you stay in scram range you are completely vulnerable to the trap blob that will be there waiting for you to engage the target 8 of 10 times.

Getting into scram range alone is incredibly risky. Not normal risky.. but in suicidal risky... People that make suicidal things are NOT good, no matter how they think they are. These people are more lucky then good if they win.

That means using a scram is only viable on a very easy fight that you know you gonna win very fast.


Again , the problem is not the very change, its the trend presented here, that CCP wants to add ways to reduce the viability of solo and very small gang (2 people) PVP even more.

If we dont stand up, soon they will add these things to T3... then to HACs, then to god knows what.

At this point why not just make ALL shisp have built in warp core strneght of 8? Since the only way PVP should happen is with a blob with this trend.

History has proven that any manifestation after a feature thread has been created to be futile. You need to preemptively make them aware that it will be a bad idea. Specially since this current thread has a sentence saying they might expand for other classes in future.

Thank you for agreeing with me. Adding MMJD will not usher in a new CBC meta. News at 11. As I said before, it will change nothing other than make 48+ Ships now immune to long points, and have a GTFO button. You are saying that MMJD will not significantly change CBC's. No ****. That is what I have been saying. MMJD does nothing to fix the current CBC problem. It is simply a GTFO button, for a very underwhelming ship for the current PvP meta. MMJD's do nothing to address any of the issues CBC's face, and certainly doesn't help them combat kiting ships- just run away from them.

I have been advocating that CBC's receive a proper re work, not this joke of a fix through the use of a gimmicky mod.

In my opinion the introduction of the MMJD makes a lot of sense. Rationale: CCP is improving kiting strategies by introducing the new kiting optimized pirate ships a lot. There is a high risk that kiting will get the I-WIN button again. Therefore it is a good idea of CCP to introduce the MMJD as an opposing "maneuver" to kiting. If people start kiting too much and there will be everywhere kiting only fleets then people now have the chance to evade this by using (M)MJD.

Basically the rule of thumb will be: If you are kiting only, then you have to live with the fact that some people will just jump away... this gives a reason to come with a scram ship if you want sure kills... which on the other hand will expose you to lose something. Which is good.

In my opinion CCP should also introduce MMJD for Cruisers and a SMJD for Frigates and Destroyers.

THAT.


BC will not be more combat effective with MJD (maybe except the poor long range ones), just GTFO more capable . Battleships have longer range and can use MJD in a more tactical way and less as a single GTFO system.


MJD are just making BC becoem one thing for a cruiser aressor. A Sure death if you get close to use a scram on a brutix or a sure do not bother because they will MJD away.

This thing will just make every single BC be a close range brawl fit monster with the MJD to makeit escape if the agressor does not want to play on its terms.

IS that a huge problem ? NO. but jsut points that NOTHIGN will improve with this change except cheesy corner situations.

BC deserve a more well tought fix than mimic the former exclusive reason to use a BS.

This change just open the gates for a huge possible bullshit in future ( and I cannot stress that I am too burned to not believe it will happen), removes the main motivation to use a battleship and helps in nothing to a BC to fight kiters, in fact will jsut make kiter vs bc fights not happen anymore, something that just benefit carebear BC pilots.

Maybe with some adjustments? Reduce Batleships MJD reuse timer to 2 min and increase BC to 4 min. Now Battleships still have the upperhand on this department.

and or..

make BC MJD use a fixed percentage of their capacitor, like 50%. This would make possible to tackle a BC with heavy neuts (because come on... don't even dare to say battleships should start fielding scrams when they are not vindicators).

Kiting wil ALWAYS be here. Know why? Because the game lacks ANY possible tactical depth to allow a smaller number of ships defeat a larger number of ships. CCP constantly nerf any force multipliers.

When I started in this game. Was common for a tempest to have a multispec ECM. Was common for domis to have 2 damps. They nerf everythign that can be used to allow smaller and more skilled groups to defeat larger groups. EVERYTHING but remote repair. Up to the point you get sick of guardians everywhere and the only other option is to KITE.

Kitters are not people avoiding to lose things because they are afraid. Kiters are exaclty the players that have BALLS but with brains. That want to fight against larger number of enemies (because if you want to have fights in this game you need to present yourself in a disadvantage otherwise no one ever undocks).


If you cannot kill a kiter when you have 3:! numeric advantage it is your OWN DAMM FAULT! Why in hell hese peopel that complain so much of kiters brign a 20 person fleet to fight 3 kiters and bring NOT A SINGLE RAPIER?


BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID and want to not have to use their brains.

So far I haven't seen any well thought out logic or reasoning from you other than "DOOM, GLOOM, CTHULHU WTF".

You even disqualify your own statements by stating that some stat changes on MJD might fix the "problems".



nice edit;

It's always a good sign when people suddenly stop discussing the subject and start pulling the character card. It means they ran out of arguments and (better yet) they even realise it themselves. Thanks for playing.

There is just not enough rage on this forum for CCP to change their minds. (Like the Freighter Changes)
CCP is just gonna push this through, and small kiting gangs and the warp disruptor are getting nerfed.

But I surely hope that they will make the range on the MMJD a little less the the LMJD.
75km on the MMJD would be better.

Sorry for my bad english =) but I want say my thinks about new MJD's
Nano= all long ships, or ships with good speed, use disruptors.
Close= all close range braulers, with good dps and tank, but low speed, use scrablers.

NOW SITUATION

nano vs close 1v1

in space
if nano get in scram range then -nano die, else close die

near gate/station
if nano get in scram range then -nano die, else close deagro and dockin\jumpin gate

nano vs gang
if nano get in scram range, then - nano die, else have chance kill anybody

close vs gang
no chance if you dont have more tank then his dps

close gang vs nano gang
no fight or nano win

pvper vs pver
pver have chance see pvper in local, and have time to warp out, or when pvper warp in, die

AFTER NEW MJD

nano vs close 1v1
if nano get in scram range then -nano die, else close warp out

near gate/station
if nano get in scram range then -nano die, else close deagro and dockin\jumpin gate or warp out

nano vs gang
if nano get in scram range, then - nano die, else close warp out

close vs gang
no chance if you dont have more tank then his dps, or can kill scramblers and warp out


close gang vs nano gang
If close gang get close range, then nanogang die, else close gang warp out

pvper vs pver
pver have chance see pvper in local, and can warp out, if pvper warp in, not in scram range, or have only disruptor

I'f you see, in all situation not in scram range, new BC's can warp out. I think it very disbalansed, and remind "I WIN' button.
With new module, it has only warp out module, for escape from battle. I think it need be attack module, with small chance to escape use.

I HAVE OFFER:
remove warp blink 100km
make warp blink to module in 20-30km, to have chance get close to nano targets, but it get hard chance to warp out
(or perfectly use scrypts: 1)warp blink at 20-30km, immune bubble, imunne disruptor 2)warp blink at 100km, imunne or bubble or dirpuptor, but not both in 1 time, need think.)
change activation time to 9-10 sec (and 4-5 with perfect skills) (get chance blink faster to nano targets, but nano targets have some seconds to see it, and get longer)