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One of the big problems with the list is that it blocking valuable screenspace and necessitating scrolling it is wholly unnecessary. Everything that is possible through it is far more easily done via the overview. However, if you are for example trying to click on something in front of a planet, you have to deal with the giant scrolling box of death instead.

Using the delay slider to all but turn this off is nice as it's no longer in the way when manual piloting, but If you insist on keeping unnecessary and redundant information popping up like this at all, can we at least get it consistent enough to mirror (or at least highly prioritize) overview settings?

Alternatively, surely a scrolling/expanded list option wouldn't be impossible. I mean, with the delay slider now it's not like you can mouse over something long enough accidentally to get hit by a sprawling list of celestials, but it would give back all the options the old client had without removing the choice for those who were dropped on the head as children and prefer the new system.

At first I was like 'yay delay slider!'. But then I realized it delayed everything, including the useful stuff.

Come on guys, if you're going to put in a solution at least put it out the right way the first time around instead of bit by bit.

Bracket list that we had before was still a lot more functional than what we have now.

This. These are token changes that do not address many of the complaints. I want an off button for this, seriously. I want to have the old tool tips and targeting available - it was actually usable and well thought out for the most part.

I look in the FW menu to see which systems are contested; tool tip blocks 50% of the relevant information to rehash 10% of it in a completely redundant fashion.

I look in the contracts menu; tool tip blocks 2-3 contracts from plain sight and is completely redundant with what was shown in the columns. Most of the tool tips are clutter like this.

Just give us an off switch. Please. I do not like this feature one bit. Pretty much, they just clog up game play and make the entire experience very unpleasant.

When you started playing you instantly knew what everything did and where to find it, right?

The issue that you don't seem to grasp is that this new way of displaying brackets is worse than the old way. It becomes more of an issue the more information (ships, asteroid belts, stations) there is on screen.

A good example is a gatecamp; the old way when you mouseover the brackets of ships, wrecks etc.. they move out of the way and you can still see the ships in space, moving about and their positions relative to each other. This information is vital to assess what you do next. Whereas now this big, black box covers everything up.


At least provide a slider to change the opaque level of these big intrusive boxes.

What was wrong with the old system, except that it was old?

I don't have the old system available for comparison, but a few pointers:

1. No opacity changes as I have seen, If you can see through that box of death you must have some sort of super vision. The old system was vastly superior in this regard. There needs to be an option to adjust opacity and remove the friggin window frame.

2. Anchor the LEFT side of the list to the mouse pointer, not the friggin middle of the box! This way we can quickly flip left and then right again to refresh. PLUS less of the action is covered by the list.

3. Now EVERYTHING is truncated, so alot of potentially important information is not displayed. The old list was a lot more dynamic in this regard. You could actually interact outside of the list where the list entries were short. With the box of death there is just a friggin box (did I mention it was smack in the middle of the action?)

4. The best upgrade would be the old list with options to customize number of listings and ability to scroll with mouse wheel.

I still can't believe this design went to TQ, if I wanted to spend another 5 minutes I could probably draw a schematic to help out. But you guys are discussing this and keeping an eye on the situation, so this shouldn't be needed.

I am new to the game and find the tool-tips detract from the experience. Even if I was "brand new" to the game, I would wonder why the tool-tip says the same thing as the thing to which it's supposed to be "tipping" me off.

And I would probably assume it's an artifact left behind from an incomplete job.

Ok, let's not fool ourselves about newbies!
I remember well when I was newbie and how happy I was to find all necessary info just one click away (RMB --> Show Info).
Of course, some descriptions were not completely clear for me but that is another story.

P.S.: my subscription has expired - still waiting for adequate solution as for 'tooltips' case.
P.P.S.: CCP, you are doing a good game, thank you for this, but these tooltips are ... weird. Really.

Thank you for caring! I think much of the other feedback for this question on page 47 is spot on. I would rate the feedback on page 47 a 10/10, would read again.
I also think it cannot be stressed enough that there are useful tooltips and non-useful tooltips. Useful tooltips display information, usually numbers, which I cannot usually get anywhere else. Non-useful tooltips communicate redundant or trivial information only some of which would be useful for even a 1 day old character.
I also agree with the comment that the little “quick fade” animation the tooltips have when you stop mousing over them is annoying. The tooltips should simply disappear once you remove your mouse.

As for the problem with the bracket list:
I've explained much of this in previous posts, but let's go through the problems. The general issue is that brackets are for finding information IN SPACE—not for finding information in space which then gets transferred to a list. Take a look at this screenshot—a random SS from a normal interaction in EVE, in this case while PVEing: http://i.imgur.com/uGPnptA.jpg?1

I am not being condescending, but I am going to explain the problems as if I were explaining them to a programmer or gamer who did not play EVE:

1) The first thing you notice about this screenshot? There is way the heck too much information going on. Like seriously too many lists / blocks of information. Even if you had zero clue what any of the lists communicated, you will likely also notice that the one that is most disruptive is the one that is taking up a big portion of the middle of the screen, where all the “action” seems to be happening.

2) You might also notice that the big block of text in the middle is just a jumble of information. It doesn't have ordering options, but even if it did you already have a list with ordering options to the far right.

3) When I am interacting with things in space—instead of on the UI—I use things like “depth perception” and zooming in and out to maneuver, find targets, find where my own ship is located, find where other ships wrapped to or what direction they are flying in, etc. Having a big list pop up—even if transparent—prevents me from doing that. It messes with depth perception and zooming, for instance, or it limits the ability to manually pilot, particularly in hectic areas.

Plus all the other stuff people have said.