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Dev Blog: Tiptoe Through the Tooltips

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Lidia Caderu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#901 - 2014-05-22 10:24:14 UTC
Transaction effects are irritating. All these fading, sliding etc. just NOT NEEDED. Please just ke all tooltips instant, would be much better. Shadow is also not needed much.
Colman Dietmar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#902 - 2014-05-22 11:00:11 UTC
Not sure if this has been reported yet, I sometimes have none of the tooltips showing up at all. Fixed by restarting client, not sure what causes it.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#903 - 2014-05-22 11:21:18 UTC
Today's patch notes:
Added a couple of new options in the settings menu for controlling the tooltip display delay and the bracket list display delay

Fixed an issue where tooltips would break after zooming in and out on the starmap
Tooltips for bookmarks in the People and Places window are now properly triggered
Fixed the position of the tooltip for the insurance type in the ship information window
Fixed an issue that prevented the module tooltip for Energized Armor Layering Membrane from being displayed
Attribute tooltips in the fitting window are now correctly refreshed after changing ships

The icon in the overview does not prevent you from ctrl-clicking to target or opening the context menu on the overview entry anymore
Bracket labels no longer briefly show up in an incorrect position before snapping into place when displayed

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

Longdrinks
Zero Fun Allowed
#904 - 2014-05-22 11:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Longdrinks
these are nice but more sliders for delays on different parts would be nice. So i could get instant tooltips on overview showing me peoples inspace brackets, but longer delay on stuff like cargo button opens cargo tooltip.

And option to lock windows more would also be cool
http://puu.sh/8WpgC.jpg if i miss and double click on the blank space to the right or below these buttons it minimizes the selected item window which is pretty aggravating when it happens as im furiously trying to mash warp button and get away from a bad situation.
Another button in top left corner to toggle locking the window and stopping minimizing and dragging would be perfect for this.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
SLYCE Pirates
#905 - 2014-05-22 11:36:11 UTC
Great work. Needs a wiki page listing what is controlled by which slider.

Neocom tool tip sticking( needs to fade out) on when i drag my mouse over icon and out side the client window would be a great fix.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.

Steijn
Quay Industries
#906 - 2014-05-22 11:36:47 UTC
todays patch with the slider solves my issues, thank you.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#907 - 2014-05-22 11:41:14 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Today's patch notes:
Added a couple of new options in the settings menu for controlling the tooltip display delay and the bracket list display delay

Fixed an issue where tooltips would break after zooming in and out on the starmap
Tooltips for bookmarks in the People and Places window are now properly triggered
Fixed the position of the tooltip for the insurance type in the ship information window
Fixed an issue that prevented the module tooltip for Energized Armor Layering Membrane from being displayed
Attribute tooltips in the fitting window are now correctly refreshed after changing ships

The icon in the overview does not prevent you from ctrl-clicking to target or opening the context menu on the overview entry anymore
Bracket labels no longer briefly show up in an incorrect position before snapping into place when displayed



Tooltip display is working beautifully for me, Tyvm Big smile

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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#908 - 2014-05-22 13:11:56 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Today's patch notes:
Added a couple of new options in the settings menu for controlling the tooltip display delay and the bracket list display delay


Tootips delay options, better, much better... could be a little longer, IE out to 5 or even 10 seconds so it can be essentially turned off for us as know what a sun and a planet is and what all our modules are and do... but hey, I guess now I'm getting nit-picky huh?

Thanx for the delay slider, it really does help.

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/

Orla- King-Griffin
#909 - 2014-05-22 13:28:55 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Today's patch notes:
Added a couple of new options in the settings menu for controlling the tooltip display delay and the bracket list display delay

Fixed an issue where tooltips would break after zooming in and out on the starmap
Tooltips for bookmarks in the People and Places window are now properly triggered
Fixed the position of the tooltip for the insurance type in the ship information window
Fixed an issue that prevented the module tooltip for Energized Armor Layering Membrane from being displayed
Attribute tooltips in the fitting window are now correctly refreshed after changing ships

The icon in the overview does not prevent you from ctrl-clicking to target or opening the context menu on the overview entry anymore
Bracket labels no longer briefly show up in an incorrect position before snapping into place when displayed

Fantastic work, thank you very muchBig smile

Ah shite...

Davina Sienar
The Misinterpretation of Silence
#910 - 2014-05-22 14:21:27 UTC
overall a nice work so far as a kind of intermediate solution...


but hey can that delay please work on all tooltips ?

f.e. esp. on my modules ??

everytime I klick to activate a weapon, now the info window for it flashes up without any delay
(and I set max delay on that new slider...)

bit annoying, realy


John Lawyer
Doomheim
#911 - 2014-05-22 14:37:52 UTC
I still cannot point/target object is space (if there is many objects) - have to deal with popping window - previous solution was working perfectly - can you bring it back?
Delay sliders are good but they did not kill the root problem for me.
Torrentula
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#912 - 2014-05-22 14:43:51 UTC
Adaahh Gee wrote:
Just found that the tooltip pop-up in the compare window seems to lie directly across the stats I am trying to read, regardless of the position of my mouse cursor.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1405/tooltips.jpg

It is telling me info that I already know and positioning it in the way of what I am trying to see.

Please address the issue of having a "disable tooltips" option somewhere, or a setting for the delay time that allows a very long delay (that is how I stopped the annoying radial menu popping up)


Where is the delay option for radial menu? I've been irritated and worrying that it will get me killed one day with it popping up. Having to play mouse pointer minesweeper in a space sim doesn't appeal to me.
Lisa Gentilette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#913 - 2014-05-22 14:47:35 UTC
I went to the grocery this morning to pick up some healthy food.
Having arrived there I first picked up a few tomatoes from a crate that showed they where 5 isk a piece.
Suddenly out of nowhere a strange scruffy looking guy in a brown uniform appeared next to me and whispered in my ear while pointing with one hand at the tomatoes in my hand and the other at the sign above the crate with tomatoes, "that is a tomato, they cost 5 isk a piece."

Startled I glared at the slightly sinister looking dude and quickly walked away from him.
Then I got to the crate with ripe pears, you know the ones that so deliciously drip all over the place when you take a bite out of them? They looked great and the sign above the crate told me they would cost me only 14 isk per pear.
I picked up a few and suddenly there was that guy again. Pointing at the pears in my hand, the crate and at the sign he told me with a creepy voice, "those are pears, they cost 14 isk a piece."

I took a good look at him. His once brown uniform had seen better days. Left on his chest was a worn out logo. Something with a 'C' and 'P' or similar, couldn't make it quite out and to be honest I wasn't that much interested. I just wanted to get my food in peace and go home.

"Why are you doing this? I asked him."
"Why are you telling me things that I already know and can see with my own eyes?"

He looked over his shoulder as if he was afraid of something then whispered, "I got paid to do this."

"What", I said shocked, "you get paid to tell people redundant stuff?"

"No, got paid," he replied his voice showing a sign of grief and what, what was that? A tear in his eye?
"Company that did went up in dust and since then it's a world of darkness for me. Where good people though, a bit stubborn at times and sometimes straight out loco you know?"

I haven't got a clue but I just nodded, as long as he wasn't telling me what I already knew I'm happy.

"So ok," I said. "Sorry to hear your company went bust. But why are you still doing this?"

"I don't know, he said and looked down in remorse, "shoes."

"What?"

He pointed with both his hands down at my feet and said it again, "shoes".
"You are wearing shoes, they are polished and black."

He looked me in the face and grabbed me firmly by my shoulder.

It was as if a dam had bursted. Franticly he started to drag me around the store while pointing at everything in my sight and told me what it was and what it cost.

We where at the isle with banana's and coconuts when I shrugged him off but that didn't stop him. Over and over again he told me that these where banana's and that coconuts.

Annoyed I asked him if he had an off switch.

"Oh no," he cried out loud, "you said the 'O' word. The 'O' word, not the 'O' word!"
And before my eyes he started to shrink while simultaneously fading away in a cloud of smoke.

Just before he completely went up in smoke I heard his faint voice with a spooky echo, "I'll be back, I'll be baaaa…"

I dropped everything that I had in my hands, made a run for the grocery door, avoided a near collision with a rather large lady on the parking lot and jumped in my car.
With a speed that would certainly give me a dozen speeding tickets I arrived home. Slammed the garage door down, locked all doors and windows and closed all curtains before I, with pumping hearth, slid down behind my desk in my favorite chair.

After a while I calmed down and woke my Mac up from sleep an did some of my administration. Then I decided to take a break and boot up EVE, a game I've been playing since 2008.
I logged in on my character and felt a presence in the room. I looked over my shoulder and there was that guy from the grocery store again. Grinning, whispering.

"Told you so," he said.

http://s30.postimg.org/eugqrhwn5/helping_ccp_understand_redundancy_0001.jpg
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#914 - 2014-05-22 15:02:55 UTC
Torrentula wrote:
Where is the delay option for radial menu? I've been irritated and worrying that it will get me killed one day with it popping up. Having to play mouse pointer minesweeper in a space sim doesn't appeal to me.


It's in the Esc Menu bro... same as the tooltips delay slider and right next to it.

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#915 - 2014-05-22 15:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
CCP karkur wrote:
Today's patch notes:
Added a couple of new options in the settings menu for controlling the tooltip display delay and the bracket list display delay

Fixed an issue where tooltips would break after zooming in and out on the starmap
Tooltips for bookmarks in the People and Places window are now properly triggered
Fixed the position of the tooltip for the insurance type in the ship information window
Fixed an issue that prevented the module tooltip for Energized Armor Layering Membrane from being displayed
Attribute tooltips in the fitting window are now correctly refreshed after changing ships

The icon in the overview does not prevent you from ctrl-clicking to target or opening the context menu on the overview entry anymore
Bracket labels no longer briefly show up in an incorrect position before snapping into place when displayed


Have you added an option where we can shut the ******* off!

I'm downloading my patch now, so apologies if this has been added.

Edit : No It Hasn't been added!

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Sven Viko VIkolander
Allemannsrett
#916 - 2014-05-22 15:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sven Viko VIkolander
Has it gotten through, though, that (more) "lists in space" is one of the worst UI developments possible?

Basically, as every game is moving toward minimal UI and learning via doing (rather than reading) in game, EVE has the brilliant idea to move in the exact opposite directions.

Also, I continue to experience (new) lag when opening long lists of celestials and mousing over each. If that's not easily reproducible I don't know what is.
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#917 - 2014-05-22 16:58:20 UTC
The one tooltip that provides value to me is the wallet one. It actually shows me something I may not already know; my current balance. I now have to make a choice to give up that value in return for not being bugged by dozens of redundant little boxes.

This is not progress.
Arec Bardwin
#918 - 2014-05-22 17:02:00 UTC
John Lawyer wrote:
I still cannot point/target object is space (if there is many objects) - have to deal with popping window - previous solution was working perfectly - can you bring it back?
Delay sliders are good but they did not kill the root problem for me.

Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:
Has it gotten through, though, that (more) "lists in space" is one of the worst UI developments possible?

Basically, as every game is moving toward minimal UI and learning via doing (rather than reading) in game, EVE has the brilliant idea to move in the exact opposite directions.

Also, I continue to experience (new) lag when opening long lists of celestials and mousing over each. If that's not easily reproducible I don't know what is.
The scrollable tooltip window in space (when mousing over many objects) seems to be here to stay, as we have heard no dev comment on them being a potential problem. This borders on game breaking for me, and is on of the worst design errors CCP has done.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#919 - 2014-05-22 17:08:46 UTC
Has anyone figured out what was wrong with the previous version of tooltips?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#920 - 2014-05-22 17:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Could you please explain to me what your huge problem with the bracket list is? (a genuine question and please be specific, for example: "cannot point/target object is space", why not, what is the problem?)
Most of the complaints I have seen about it is that you cannot click through it, but that was the case with the brackets before (we have old clients we can compare to).
The delay has now been fixed, the opacity has been tuned down, the list only appears on clusters.... what else is so horrible except that it's new?
Just so know, we are still keeping an eye on the situation, and have had a lot of discussions about it.

If there is huge lag (which we have not experienced), then please file a bugreport on it. Running the logserver and submitting that file might be a good idea, so we can better investigate potential issues.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur