EVE General Discussion

There is a difference between a venture capitalist and a normal person. A venture capitalist wants to see a plan, how you are going to turn the money they give you into money back, they want to see a working product or an idea to get to said working product. They also tend to want a return on that investment, as in a %of your company. Lets say a product that will remain nameless *cough* star citizen *cough* was to use venture capitalist, they would want a set date for something. The makers can't keep going back and asking for more to add to there already promised product until they have a product and evidence it will make money. And in the case of the unnamed game if they fail to deliver the venture capitalist will get there money back by forcing the company to liquade its assets or sell what it has of said product to another company to finish,

On the flip side, using stretch goals, and asking the general population for money is less risky to the game maker. If they fail to deliver then it doesn't hurt anyone but the people who tossed money at it. If its successfully, the game maker reaps all the rewards. Its pretty much a lose for the general public. Sure the game you helped fund is no manking money, and is out and you are enjoying youself, but if you had been a venture capitalist you would be reaping the profits.

That's the difference. You get screwed either way.

Now kick starting is a good idea, you get something for your money. Be it a book, dvd, t-shirt, product whatever. My issue with said unnamed game is they are asking for more and more, its no longer a kick start. And once launched no matter how much I forked out, I will reap the same reward as someone who just started the game at launch, which is 0% of profits.

Sure, I need to see what you are going to do with it and much much money you make off it. Oh and i'll want 80% of any money you make from it. then we will talk ;)

Now that I think about it, EVE was not my first MMO. For 4 months I played Hold Em online for a couple hours a day, and the goal was to take my $300 and turn it into a larger pot. I had grind it (make safer bets) because I wanted a consistent gain instead of some chance windfall. I soon hit a plateau because it seemed like the rooms I logged into got popular, and many of these players would be logged in simultaneously to different rooms (the telltale nicknames gave it away) and.. *gasp* using spreadsheets to make bets (spreadsheets take a lot of the mystery out of poker).

As a purist (which in retrospect was a very naïve view) I wanted to play the game with just my own wits, not spreadsheets. A month went by and I found my earnings per hour wasn't much more than minimum wage.. at which point I quit playing. I guess the only good thing is that I know enough about poker to hustle some poor schmuck IRL who might not know what he's doing.

I personally think that integrating a gambling module into EVE is not a decision CCP could take lightly. Some people have serious addiction issues to gambling and could very easily lose their ISK, ships, and the shirt off their back while ship spinning and waiting to X up. When addiction comes into the picture it is not simply a choice a person makes and is responsible for.. there is more complex brain chemistry that can land the person in a very bad position through very little fault of their own.

I admire the OP's enthusiasm, but would like to remind them that CCP will happily take their money and not deliver on promise.

Why can't wis just be cool little minigames?

Things like:
Player owned casinos
New intense exploration (like slender man)
Maybe some on pi exploration

Wis doesn't need to be call of duty in a pos for sovereignty or even boarding each other ships to be good. The cq ground work is pretty good if you're not looking to turn this into a fps.

As a starter just be creative. What's the point of 2000 people in the same room?

So here are my thoughts:

1. I want walkable hangars with all my ships. This does not have any functions other than completing the visual aspect of the game. This is because I want to see how small I am compared to my wonderful ships and look at the details of the ships paint work, apart from snapping a selfie with my fav ship. Not only but also I want to see the animations to dock to the platform and undock from the platform inside the station in the style of the already existing hangars videos.

2. I want to board my ships, go around and maybe do maintenance stuff. This could be another profession with missions, or it could be related to moving clones for DUST players, or even transport of DUST players. Or ever thought about entering your cargo hold? I am sure that something created to do with this can kill idle time for those who do not like pure PVP. It could be related to specific tasks that you can only execute in person.

3. Walk in Structures, this is cool for missions, e.g. retrieve relics, shoot Sansha drones / robots attacking you, etc.

4. Walk in stations, again this is great for missions. Just open the CQ door and got to accomplish your mission, either trade, spy, kill a specified character, etc

None of these scenarios requires lots of people and even manned shops. Mainly you can interact with the NPCs. I think CCP is more than capable of doing this without having to worry about load limitations on the servers, lag etc...

Your name is indeed appropriate :)

My money is real.

You had no hope. My sister in law and her ex and several friends used to multibox that game and talk on team speak. Basically looking for tables where there would be one other person and all the other players would be one of them or one of there alts. They made a lot of money.

Needless to say people who cheat at poker tend to cheat in real life as well, they are not married anymore :D

This thread is hilarious.