EVE General Discussion

This has come to mind quite a few times for me. Personally though I'd rather see a CSM not only for avatars/WiS but for immersion in a broader sense - avatars, live events, roleplay and immersion. Someone who'll try to inject some life and enthusiasm into all the immersive areas of EVE's community and gameplay, that each on their own are somewhat niche.

Was rather dissapointing to see almost none of the current CSM's candidates show any interest in avatars/WiS at all. From memory I think there was barely one who gave it a very slight mention (Asayanami Dei) and they were primarily a wormhole rep so I doubt much effort would have been put into pursuing avatar-stuff even if they were elected at the time.

The biggest hurdle I'd foresee for a "WiS / Immersion CSM" rep though would simply be a) Knowing where the **** they stand to begin with and b) actually getting any answers or info from CCP. Right now as it stands we pretty much have no clue what CCPs short or long term plans are for avatar based gameplay or development in any sense. They aren't talking, so I really don't know where a CSM would stand when trying to do their job in the face of a silent-CCP...

You pretty much answered your question with your own remark to the second paragraph I think.

It's been a long time since CCP have said anything official about the future of avatar development, or the fate of WiS (or otherwise). It's the elephant in the room that (aside from a reddit comment here, forum post there) no Dev seems willing to speak about openly.

A CSM rep cannot try to promote development of a feature if we have no idea if that feature even exists anymore.

Well I don't know about that. Putting your Star Citizen stuff to one side for a moment, I do think CCP have a vision. Or at least they used to have a vision that they enjoyed talking about and showcasing - making EVE the very best Sci-fi simulator. That's sci-fi in a very broad sense, not just "spaceships".

But it's true that since our last major piece of avatar development they've been deathly quiet. While it's obvious that it's still alive (we're still getting new avatar items, etc, albiet recycled stuff) we have no idea what their ultimate vision is right now and so many things remain unanswered sources of contention, trolling and arguing among the community.

I'd like to know where us avatar gameplay and WiS supporters stand, what CCPs current overall vision now is, and where avatar development fits into that.

No, I meant your post - it's obvious that SC influences your thinking heavily judging by the terms and language you tend to use, even when speaking about something unrelated to SC itself.

And why would you link that post? It was laughable tbh, which is why I didn't respond seriously to it at the time.


I've only ever heard CCP broadcast one major, official "vision" - to be the ultimate sci-fi simulator in existance.

They used to say it quite a lot. But not anymore.

I think it's time for an update. In fact I believe we as a community deserve an update.

You're awfully touchy this morning, Mr Wings!

I wasn't trying to argue anything. Just making an observation is all.

Not sure what else to say other than "your stuff?"

Arguments? Facts? Is this a SC thing again?

Honestly I think it's silly to compare EVE and SC in the manner that people were in the thread/posts you linked. It's like comparing a camel to an unborn horse, and arguing which is best at carrying stuff through the Amazon.


I like my stuff petite and have never had any complaints sir.

But as for acommodating yours? I'm sure my little hanger could manage it, if not I'll just anchor a second.

Don't worry this is not a ragequit. It's only a yawnquit. When WiS is integrated in the client I'll sub the account back.

But, you see, this is where the vision falls down. How would better avatar play help roleplay? You are aware how many stations exist in New Eden? Providence is the epitomy of a roleplay haven, and it alone has 72 stations, across 9 different Alliances (Disclaimer - I know how station-addicted you Providencians are, so i'm well aware you might have dropped three more while I'm writing this post).

How does walking in FX-7EM help when you are talking to two guys 14 jumps away in Y9-MDG, and another 4 jumps away in LF-2KP (who is 11 from the guys in FX)? In truth, the roleplayers will stick to their channels; they will have to, they will be too diffused otherwise by affiliation and politics. Sure, a few hubs may spring up for the truly dedicated, but then you are still restricted to chat channels when talking to those who are barred from those stations, and it would then negatively effect your ability to play the rest of EvE (sorry, cant join fleet, I am in the RP hub 10 jumps from my combat ships).

You are clearly spending far too much time with normies and heretics.

We are the New Flesh

We are Capsuleers

Our ships are an extension of our being

Our blood is the blood of beings that are like UNTO GODS to the mortals of the Old Flesh

Avatars? Give me the avatars for the Thukker crew removed from the Tribal Defense ships that cross my path which are to be processed through my exsanguinators and perhaps you will have a point.

*smiles* Still waiting for our meeting to happen, Erica! :D