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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#421 - 2014-05-18 15:17:10 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


So... you buy a PLEX, and you win?

Really?

I didnt know winning was about owning an item. Or even about how much Isk you have.

So, one more chance, please tell me in what way does having Isk make you "win"?


Unlike many other games that offer currency exchange for non competitive goods like vanity, pve boosters, skins... in EVE you can use the isk you bought with PLEX to buy highly skilled characters and capital ships, which even a tetraplegic can use efficiently by pressing F1 with his mouth and a straw.
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#422 - 2014-05-18 15:19:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Holtzman
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

So.... no facts as to how EvE fits into that paradigm, just a description of what P2W is

So again, please, make with the citations, or just leave already


https://secure.eveonline.com/plex/


Please tell me how purchasing a plex will give you a competitive edge over another person?

edit: having a highly skilled character or a "leet" ship does not mean you have a competitive edge over other players. Try again.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#423 - 2014-05-18 15:20:51 UTC
raven666wings wrote:

Unlike many other games that offer currency exchange for non competitive goods like vanity, pve boosters, skins... in EVE you can use the isk you bought with PLEX to buy highly skilled characters and capital ships, which even a tetraplegic can use efficiently by pressing F1 with his mouth and a straw.


Buying a Capital Ship and a toon to fly it without knowing what you are doing is like buying an aircraft in real life and saying you are win even thoguh you cant eve take off because youve never flown in your life.

Further, I fail to see how you equate owning a ship you can barely use thats lock-docked in Null and unable to launch because it will get trailed to "winning".

How do you figure that one, sportsfan?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lisa Gentilette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#424 - 2014-05-18 15:23:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lisa Gentilette
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


So... you buy a PLEX, and you win?

Really?

I didnt know winning was about owning an item. Or even about how much Isk you have.

So, one more chance, please tell me in what way does having Isk make you "win"?


Unlike many other games that offer currency exchange for non competitive goods like vanity, pve boosters, skins... in EVE you can use the isk you bought with PLEX to buy highly skilled characters and capital ships, which even a tetraplegic can use efficiently by pressing F1 with his mouth and a straw.


Ok, say I buy a character with around 100 mil. SP and a handful of cap ships, then what?

Without knowing how to use them, without any back up from a large scale corporation or even an alliance I've just tossed away a lot of money on plex because I'm sure as hell am not going to win.

It's not like buying gold ammo which gives me an edge over those that do not pay for gold ammo.


But I guess you're too confused to even realize that.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#425 - 2014-05-18 15:24:43 UTC
Lisa Gentilette wrote:
gold ammo.

Churchill III ftw

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#426 - 2014-05-18 15:26:30 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Buying a Capital Ship and a toon to fly it without knowing what you are doing is like buying an aircraft in real life and saying you are win even thoguh you cant eve take off because youve never flown in your life.

Further, I fail to see how you equate owning a ship you can barely use thats lock-docked in Null and unable to launch because it will get trailed to "winning".

How do you figure that one, sportsfan?


The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#427 - 2014-05-18 15:33:11 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Buying a Capital Ship and a toon to fly it without knowing what you are doing is like buying an aircraft in real life and saying you are win even thoguh you cant eve take off because youve never flown in your life.

Further, I fail to see how you equate owning a ship you can barely use thats lock-docked in Null and unable to launch because it will get trailed to "winning".

How do you figure that one, sportsfan?


The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.


Clueless much?

Two equally skilled players, one doesn't buy plex, the other does. You're saying the person buying plex does not gain an advantage? Shocked

Perhaps you should stop playing this game and go back to school....

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#428 - 2014-05-18 15:39:01 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


Clueless much?

Two equally skilled players, one doesn't buy plex, the other does. You're saying the person buying plex does not gain an advantage? Shocked

Perhaps you should stop playing this game and go back to school....


Perhaps you should start using that grey matter inside your skull. I believe some people call it a "brain". It helps dealing with reading comprehension and understanding.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#429 - 2014-05-18 15:39:10 UTC
raven666wings wrote:


The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.


EvE is a complex game.

Player skill (not SP, not isk, not resources) is THE single determining factor as to how successful that player's characters become.

Everything else can help that, certainly, but knowing how to play to your advantage is the most important part.

No matter how much money you spend, it will not tell you the best route to plan your skills, the best course to plot to avoid or find trouble, who to talk to or how to talk to the people you need to get in with whatever group you want to join etc etc

Plus, there is no final "winning". There is whatever you decide is the measure of success. There is no one single score that makes you "Top EvEr 2014"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#430 - 2014-05-18 15:42:37 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Buying a Capital Ship and a toon to fly it without knowing what you are doing is like buying an aircraft in real life and saying you are win even thoguh you cant eve take off because youve never flown in your life.

Further, I fail to see how you equate owning a ship you can barely use thats lock-docked in Null and unable to launch because it will get trailed to "winning".

How do you figure that one, sportsfan?


The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.



Your ignorance is astounding.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#431 - 2014-05-18 15:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ramona McCandless wrote:

EvE is a complex game.

Player skill (not SP, not isk, not resources) is THE single determining factor as to how successful that player's characters become.

Everything else can help that, certainly, but knowing how to play to your advantage is the most important part.

No matter how much money you spend, it will not tell you the best route to plan your skills, the best course to plot to avoid or find trouble, who to talk to or how to talk to the people you need to get in with whatever group you want to join etc etc

Plus, there is no final "winning". There is whatever you decide is the measure of success. There is no one single score that makes you "Top EvEr 2014"


I suppose that is somewhat true, but the competitive advantage offered to the PLEX buying players is still there. I'll give you this - It's definitely not as unhealthy for the game as Dust 514's model that relies exclusively on pay-to-win microtransactions to try and stay afloat.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#432 - 2014-05-18 15:47:58 UTC
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Buying a Capital Ship and a toon to fly it without knowing what you are doing is like buying an aircraft in real life and saying you are win even thoguh you cant eve take off because youve never flown in your life.

Further, I fail to see how you equate owning a ship you can barely use thats lock-docked in Null and unable to launch because it will get trailed to "winning".

How do you figure that one, sportsfan?


The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.

Your ignorance is astounding.


I get the feeling a bad happened to raven666wings and he is trying to deflect the blame for the bad away from himself and towards those durn PLEX that apparently make the world go round

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#433 - 2014-05-18 15:49:44 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
the competitive advantage offered to the PLEX buying players is still there. I'll give you this - It's definitely not as unhealthy for the game as Dust 514's model that relies exclusively on pay-to-win microtransactions to try and stay afloat..


That's not how Ive heard that DUST's pay for items work.

Plus, DUST is pretty much dead in the cold hard ground, so who the hell cares?

In regards to EvE, in what way are you tryign to compete that makes PLEX purchase so necessary?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#434 - 2014-05-18 15:53:42 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

In regards to EvE, in what way are you tryign to compete that makes PLEX purchase so necessary?

Sorry I thought we were discussing whether EVE is pay2win or not. I also told you before I'm not playing it Lol
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#435 - 2014-05-18 15:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

In regards to EvE, in what way are you tryign to compete that makes PLEX purchase so necessary?

Sorry I thought we were discussing whether EVE is pay2win or not.


Yes, and you still havent said what you consider "winning" and how plex allows you to achieve that (Which is pretty much EXACTLY what I said above)

raven666wings wrote:
I also told you before I'm not playing it Lol

So...what? This is just a pathetic cry for attention then huh?

EDIT: While you are at it, please explain how a "tritanium endoskeleton" protects you from external radiation

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#436 - 2014-05-18 16:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Yes, and you still havent said what you consider "winning" and how plex allows you to achieve that (Which is pretty much EXACTLY what I said above)

raven666wings wrote:
I also told you before I'm not playing it Lol

So...what? This is just a pathetic cry for attention then huh?


Please read my last posts again it seems you did not understand what I wrote. I'd advise you aswell to smoke a pipe and chill while doing it, you look too stressed Lol
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#437 - 2014-05-18 16:05:14 UTC
raven666wings wrote:

Please read my last posts again it seems you did not understand what I wrote. I'd advise you to smoke a pipe and chill, you look too stressed Roll


I dont think you have the first clue what you wrote.

You just progress the theory that all Sebiestors must be exterminated for the betterment of the New Flesh

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#438 - 2014-05-18 16:09:15 UTC
Ok ok...!! I'll shut up... don't hurt me more Oops
Arthul Omanid
Castile y Leon Enterprises
#439 - 2014-05-18 17:39:29 UTC
I'd also like to see more done with WiS. I can confidently say if we didn't have the CQs, I would not have come back to this game. It adds a lot to the atmosphere/feeling of being in a world for me. The walking animations are someone stilted, but they don't bother me that much. Overall, I think the graphics look great.
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
#440 - 2014-05-18 18:52:00 UTC
the problem with Incarna and the Jita riots was not that it was X feature or y feature. it was a combination of perceived feature implementation. On the Aurum store, there was the perceived notion of buying golden ammo, instead of purely cosmetic items, combined with the $70 virtual monocle, and the lack of communication to the playerbase or even the CSM at the time on what their intentions were, as well as the leaked inside memo/newsletter.

On the Incarna front, WiS was in development for...18 months or so (citation needed), and when it WAS released, there were only 2 captains quarters available, so you can understand the players frustration on that part. I, myself, still think that WiS is a good idea for social interaction, there are a few games that have successfully implemented a vehicle fighting simulation and tactical simulation along with a personal open world roam simulation. Star Trek Online, Uncharted Waters Online, Pirates of the Burning Sea, to name a few off the top of my head.

These days, to say "EVE online is a spaceship game" is not accurate at all, because while the EVE CLIENT currently IS a spaceship game, you also have DUST, and soon™ Valkyrie. Also, EVE is NOT about spaceships what so ever, it is just a means of communication, a way of saying "Look at my shiny pixel bling!" and "ya, lets see what happens with that pixel bling when we have 20 - 50 non-bling items hit it!" Spaceships could easily be changed to wooden sailing ships, or swords/spears/bows and armor. In short, EVE is about social interactions, and I still believe a finished Incarna will further that.