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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#401 - 2014-05-16 23:07:16 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Well you said "mark my words" and I did. Specifically:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
It can't be called an expansion when all it offers is the old gameplay in a new form


So let us take a nice little look at eve's expansions and see whether they pass your litmus test for "being an expansion"

Castor:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
Added missions, loads of new things to do.

Exodus:
Welp.
In what is going to become common, this isn't an expansion. Just lets you perform the same gameplay actions in different scenarios.

Cold war:
Not an expansion, just adds extra PVE (same gameplay) and ships.

RMR:
Noooooope. Just some more ships 'n' stuff, tweaked stats on character pages.

Bloodlines:
Nope. Tweaking numbers again.

Rev 1:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
Scan ****, yo! That's new.

Rev 2:
Nope.

Trinity:
New face to the same old gameplay, and some more ships and stat tweaks.

Empyrean age:
Not an expansion. FW is just the same gameplay.

QR:
Stats/ships/etc

Apoc:
Not an expansion, new stargates into new unknown space isn't an expansion, as per your post. Rest of the expansion is just ships and stats.

Dominion:
Organisational changes, ships, stats. Not an expansion

Tyrannis:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
New feature: get RSI from a bolted-on minigame, that offers no actual gameplay other than being a click magnet.

Incursion:
Nope, just ships, stats, some PVE changes.

Incarna:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
New features: a store no-one wanted, barbies that can't leave their room, warm plastic in-place of your GPU.

Everything since: ships / stat tweaks.

So in your own terms Eve has only had 3 expansions (2 if you quite rightly discount the leaving-beta changes as an expansion). Both of which were unpopular.

You know, maybe you're seeing this all wrong, because under your own definitions 'expansions' are bad for eve online. CCP should clearly stick to not offering "new gameplay" and instead stick to what has worked in the past.

Or, and this is just an idea, maybe it's ridiculous to play down Eve's future vision as "just old gameplay in a new form" when that's been the core of Eve since it's inception.


+1 for effort man, this really did bring a smile to my face. It's getting late here but I will respond to this fully tomorrow as I am over tired now.

I liked your post though, as I'm not all bad.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#402 - 2014-05-16 23:16:43 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


changing numbers in a database and calling it ship balancing is not an expansion of game play, it's the same old game play re-presented in a different way. When you can do new things in the client that's an expansion, which is why I pointed out PI as the rather obvious example of doing new things in the client.

http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/
Rubicon
According to you didn't qualify as an expansion? hah!
Why, because for you - you weren't interested in the updates and new features so doesn't count?
Orbital bombardment to interact with dust bunnies and kill 'em - not interested so doesn't count P
ISIS - not interested so doesn't count P
Ghost Sites - not interested so doesn't count P
Mobile Structures - not interested so doesn't count P
New faction ships - not interested so doesn't count P
Cert overhaul - not interested so doesn't count P
Graphics improvements to space environments - not interested so doesn't count P
Ship balancing and seeing old ships fixed and usable finally - not interested so doesn't count P
FW fixes where years ago it was so broken it was a joke - not interested so doesn't count P
So much more - not interested so doesn't count P
not interested so doesn't count P - not interested so doesn't count P - not interested so doesn't count P
"Where are my WiS updates!!!" Cry

And somehow you say you can see the future, that development like this basically stops and only player gates are all that's left? uh-huh.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
chaos666wraith
Cyber Chaos Crew
#403 - 2014-05-17 09:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: chaos666wraith
Ubat Batuk wrote:
I pledge £500 as personal contribution to WiS which CCP can take automatically from my account when they deliver WiS.

1. Are there other players with ballz to commit to WiS development?
2. CCP do you have the ballz to make WiS?

I am watching this with interest...

Link to CCP video about WiS:
for future visions


Hello meatbags,

Unfortunately my cybernetic body doesn't have ballz, but I surely have some credits I will spend to pledge for WiS development.

+666 trillion ISK for WiS, Legion and Valkyrie on Unreal 4 without pay2win

Caldari bank data centers need to botch that security up /emote :grin: Big smile

CyberChaosCrewTV

Saying that EVE is just about spaceships, is a bit like saying that phones should only be about making voice phone calls one on one with other people.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#404 - 2014-05-17 09:19:08 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


changing numbers in a database and calling it ship balancing is not an expansion of game play, it's the same old game play re-presented in a different way. When you can do new things in the client that's an expansion, which is why I pointed out PI as the rather obvious example of doing new things in the client.

http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/
Rubicon
According to you didn't qualify as an expansion? hah!
Why, because for you - you weren't interested in the updates and new features so doesn't count?
Orbital bombardment to interact with dust bunnies and kill 'em - not interested so doesn't count P
ISIS - not interested so doesn't count P
Ghost Sites - not interested so doesn't count P
Mobile Structures - not interested so doesn't count P
New faction ships - not interested so doesn't count P
Cert overhaul - not interested so doesn't count P
Graphics improvements to space environments - not interested so doesn't count P
Ship balancing and seeing old ships fixed and usable finally - not interested so doesn't count P
FW fixes where years ago it was so broken it was a joke - not interested so doesn't count P
So much more - not interested so doesn't count P
not interested so doesn't count P - not interested so doesn't count P - not interested so doesn't count P
"Where are my WiS updates!!!" Cry

And somehow you say you can see the future, that development like this basically stops and only player gates are all that's left? uh-huh.


now you are being silly. I didn't say not interested, but I did say 'not an expansion of game play', I am of course interested in the goings on within the client otherwise there would be no point playing, hence the desire to see expansions of game play that allow new activities within the client.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#405 - 2014-05-17 22:11:44 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


changing numbers in a database and calling it ship balancing is not an expansion of game play, it's the same old game play re-presented in a different way. When you can do new things in the client that's an expansion, which is why I pointed out PI as the rather obvious example of doing new things in the client.

http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/
Rubicon
According to you didn't qualify as an expansion? hah!
Why, because for you - you weren't interested in the updates and new features so doesn't count?
Orbital bombardment to interact with dust bunnies and kill 'em - not interested so doesn't count P
ISIS - not interested so doesn't count P
Ghost Sites - not interested so doesn't count P
Mobile Structures - not interested so doesn't count P
New faction ships - not interested so doesn't count P
Cert overhaul - not interested so doesn't count P
Graphics improvements to space environments - not interested so doesn't count P
Ship balancing and seeing old ships fixed and usable finally - not interested so doesn't count P
FW fixes where years ago it was so broken it was a joke - not interested so doesn't count P
So much more - not interested so doesn't count P
not interested so doesn't count P - not interested so doesn't count P - not interested so doesn't count P
"Where are my WiS updates!!!" Cry

And somehow you say you can see the future, that development like this basically stops and only player gates are all that's left? uh-huh.


now you are being silly. I didn't say not interested, but I did say 'not an expansion of game play', I am of course interested in the goings on within the client otherwise there would be no point playing, hence the desire to see expansions of game play that allow new activities within the client.

But I did list additional content. ISIS. ghost sites, mobile structures, faction ships, orbital bombardment, new space environment features +etc etc added new content. In addition reiteration of old content, and in that being new... such as the stupid mini-game to hacking for example and those nasty little rigs and modules, which is new content. you are falling on a two edged sword here, on the one hand you say only new content is an "expansion" yet you are dismissing a whole lot of new content at the same time. So to me, 'it doesn't count not interested' is the obvious explanation.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#406 - 2014-05-17 22:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarpedo
BTW famous "Fate of WiS" thread is finally locked after 2 years and ~200 pages. I think it's bad sign for those who still waiting for WiS.

Meanwhile I'm letting my account to expire because - who could guesst that? - I've discovered spaceship MMO game with avatar content. I've allowed my EVE account to expire many times before but now it's different: I feel there is a good chance I'll never return to EVE. Unless, of course, CCP will wake up and start to expand WiS (I'd happily pay $49.95 for ready-to-use expansion or cosmetics) - but I doubt it will ever happen so no crowdfunding / payments in advance.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#407 - 2014-05-17 22:43:53 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
BTW famous "Fate of WiS" thread is finally locked after 2 years and ~200 pages. I think it's bad sign for those who still waiting for WiS.

Meanwhile I'm letting my account to expire because - who could guesst that? - I've discovered spaceship MMO game with avatar content. I've allowed my EVE account to expire many time before but now it's different: I feel there is a good chance I'll never return to EVE. Unless, of course, CCP will wake up and start to expand WiS (I'd happily pay $49.95 for ready-to-use expansion of cosmetics) - but I doubt it will ever happen so no crowdfunding / payments in advance.

I would be happy to take your items and ISK off you, because I will make sure they are put to good use. Please place it all in a contract for me.

That and I am asking politely Smile

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#408 - 2014-05-17 23:24:40 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
BTW famous "Fate of WiS" thread is finally locked after 2 years and ~200 pages. I think it's bad sign for those who still waiting for WiS.

Meanwhile I'm letting my account to expire because - who could guesst that? - I've discovered spaceship MMO game with avatar content. I've allowed my EVE account to expire many time before but now it's different: I feel there is a good chance I'll never return to EVE. Unless, of course, CCP will wake up and start to expand WiS (I'd happily pay $49.95 for ready-to-use expansion of cosmetics) - but I doubt it will ever happen so no crowdfunding / payments in advance.


My current sub terminates on the 28th. I will not renew it either until Legion, Valkyrie and WiS are all on the same client and without a pay2win business model.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#409 - 2014-05-17 23:55:26 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
BTW famous "Fate of WiS" thread is finally locked after 2 years and ~200 pages. I think it's bad sign for those who still waiting for WiS.
No, it just means that the original posts on the thread are outdated. Just like CCP took down aspects of WiS-Carbon from their site long ago.

What is WiS vs. what is Avatar Play? This may be redefined especially with the development of Legion underway. The core things they listed in that thread can be done through Legion for example. So it can be confusing, especially since WiS-Carbon expansion has ceased and the team disbanded to work on other aspects of EVE development.

I think interesting things may come in regards to Avatar Play, but just not as many thought a few years ago to a specific system presented back then. The good thing about that thread being locked is that at some point when they expose more on the subject regarding avatar play, that thread won't be confusing to what is now vs. what was then. If or when they speak of such things, anyway.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#410 - 2014-05-18 00:34:06 UTC
Webvan wrote:
What is WiS vs. what is Avatar Play? This may be redefined especially with the development of Legion underway. The core things they listed in that thread can be done through Legion for example. So it can be confusing, especially since WiS-Carbon expansion has ceased and the team disbanded to work on other aspects of EVE development.

I think interesting things may come in regards to Avatar Play, but just not as many thought a few years ago to a specific system presented back then. The good thing about that thread being locked is that at some point when they expose more on the subject regarding avatar play, that thread won't be confusing to what is now vs. what was then. If or when they speak of such things, anyway.

Pretty much this. Smile

Much of the discussion that's been taking place in WiS-ish threads had long evolved to general avatar-gameplay anyway, rather than WiS-specific discussion. Most of the arguments against avatar gameplay remained very WiS-centric though lol So maybe we'll see less asshats.

Ezwal is, however, still off my Xmas card list and now sitting on the top of my forum shitlist for closing it. Twisted

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#411 - 2014-05-18 13:06:41 UTC
Ezwal locked redundant thread, instead of two, now you have one. You will see the same people posting here the same content.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#412 - 2014-05-18 13:10:31 UTC
raven666wings wrote:

My current sub terminates on the 28th. I will not renew it either until Legion, Valkyrie and WiS are all on the same client.

Bye, then. Hope SC works out for you

raven666wings wrote:
and without a pay2win business model.

You don't know what that is, do you?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#413 - 2014-05-18 13:53:37 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Hope SC works out for you
It will work as well as any other game I currently play instead of EVE.

Ramona McCandless wrote:
You don't know what that is, do you?
It's what Dust514 (and EVE) currently has.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#414 - 2014-05-18 14:04:08 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
It's what Dust514 (and EVE) currently has.


Entirely incorrect

But don't stop believin'

Im sure whatever pile of crap you migrate to will educate you in how you are incorrect with that assessment.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#415 - 2014-05-18 14:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Entirely incorrect

[Citation needed]

Ramona McCandless wrote:
But don't stop believin'

Im sure whatever pile of crap you migrate to will educate you in how you are incorrect with that assessment.

The only pile of crap I've came across recently was actually in EVE, and I'm glad other games are picking up the ball it dropped.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#416 - 2014-05-18 14:53:05 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Entirely incorrect

[Citation needed]

Ramona McCandless wrote:
But don't stop believin'

Im sure whatever pile of crap you migrate to will educate you in how you are incorrect with that assessment.

The only pile of crap I've came across recently was actually in EVE, and I'm glad other games are picking up the ball it dropped.


Ooohh zing!

[Citation needed]? Ok, how about, you can have all the money in game you like, and it wont make you a better player? Said by; pretty much everyone who is worth listening too.

Now, in return, please provide citation to support your position that EvE is pay-to-win so I actually know what "facts" you believe you have encountered?

Oh and if you think EvE is so terrible, why are you wastin time having a shitfit about it on its forums? Why not go play SC.. oh wait.. because it doesnt exist currently. Ok, Elite Dangerous..... oh wait... umm....

Im sure theres still a Freelancer server somewhere for you to get Spawn-ganked at the docking port in....

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#417 - 2014-05-18 15:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ooohh zing!

[Citation needed]? Ok, how about, you can have all the money in game you like, and it wont make you a better player? Said by; pretty much everyone who is worth listening too.

Now, in return, please provide citation to support your position that EvE is pay-to-win so I actually know what "facts" you believe you have encountered?

Pay-to-win - A game business model offering and promoting the purchase of in-game goods or currency that offer an advantage in competitive gameplay and would otherwise be impossible or very difficult to get (i.e. eternal grinds), thus giving the payer a direct advantage in gameplay over the non-payer players.

Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oh and if you think EvE is so terrible, why are you wastin time having a shitfit about it on its forums? Why not go play SC.. oh wait.. because it doesnt exist currently. Ok, Elite Dangerous..... oh wait... umm....

Im sure theres still a Freelancer server somewhere for you to get Spawn-ganked at the docking port in....

Posting in this forum is somewhat entertaining. Those games aren't out yet but theres plenty of others outside the space mmorpg genre that I can get much more entertainment out of than EVE.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#418 - 2014-05-18 15:09:48 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ooohh zing!

[Citation needed]? Ok, how about, you can have all the money in game you like, and it wont make you a better player? Said by; pretty much everyone who is worth listening too.

Now, in return, please provide citation to support your position that EvE is pay-to-win so I actually know what "facts" you believe you have encountered?

Pay-to-win - A game business model that offers and promotes the purchase of in-game goods or currency that offer an advantage in competitive gameplay and would otherwise be impossible or very difficult to get (i.e. eternal grinds), thus giving the payer a direct advantage in gameplay over the non-payer players..


So.... no facts as to how EvE fits into that paradigm, just a description of what P2W is

So again, please, make with the citations, or just leave already

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#419 - 2014-05-18 15:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ramona McCandless wrote:

So.... no facts as to how EvE fits into that paradigm, just a description of what P2W is

So again, please, make with the citations, or just leave already


https://secure.eveonline.com/plex/
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#420 - 2014-05-18 15:15:35 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

So.... no facts as to how EvE fits into that paradigm, just a description of what P2W is

So again, please, make with the citations, or just leave already


https://secure.eveonline.com/plex/


So... you buy a PLEX, and you win?

Really?

I didnt know winning was about owning an item. Or even about how much Isk you have.

So, one more chance, please tell me in what way does having Isk make you "win"?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann