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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#201 - 2014-05-06 00:05:33 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Dont worry goons... when WiS comes it will be wearing slippers so you dont hear it coming.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#202 - 2014-05-06 00:16:23 UTC
Rhes loves to quote the only Dev who ever said anything that remotely detracts from WiS or avatar gameplay.

Despite the fact that Dev has nothing to do with that side of the game anyway.

And despite the fact that other Devs have commented on such development since.

What I find most interesting is that it's WiS-related threads he seems to spend most of his time posting in, and against on the eve forums.

Here you go Rhes, put this one in your sig honey:

CCP Aporia wrote:
CCP Rise's opinion voiced during his reddit IamA was reasonable, but just because the focus is mainly on the spaceship game does not mean that nobody here has an interest to make meaningful Avatar gameplay within the EVE universe happen. (-:


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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#203 - 2014-05-06 01:02:03 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Luna Lockhearts wrote:
I don't know why they even stopped WiS in the first place

Because CCP lost a ton of subscribers after Incarna went live and the players realized that Eve had been ignored for two years for a single crappy looking room in a station.

Now be fair, the room was Minmatar, so it was meant to look 'crappy'.

I've seen nicer suicide booths

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2014-05-06 01:43:43 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Rhes loves to quote the only Dev who ever said anything that remotely detracts from WiS or avatar gameplay.

Despite the fact that Dev has nothing to do with that side of the game anyway.

And despite the fact that other Devs have commented on such development since.

What I find most interesting is that it's WiS-related threads he seems to spend most of his time posting in, and against on the eve forums.

Here you go Rhes, put this one in your sig honey:

CCP Aporia wrote:
CCP Rise's opinion voiced during his reddit IamA was reasonable, but just because the focus is mainly on the spaceship game does not mean that nobody here has an interest to make meaningful Avatar gameplay within the EVE universe happen. (-:



I'm sure that there are devs within CCP that want WiS to be "meaningful" but that doesn't mean they are actually doing anything about it. If you have any proof of that please be sure and share it. The *only* hope the WiS fetishists had was that something would be brought over from WoD but that hope died when WoD did.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
mkint
#205 - 2014-05-06 01:59:02 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Rhes loves to quote the only Dev who ever said anything that remotely detracts from WiS or avatar gameplay.

Despite the fact that Dev has nothing to do with that side of the game anyway.

And despite the fact that other Devs have commented on such development since.

What I find most interesting is that it's WiS-related threads he seems to spend most of his time posting in, and against on the eve forums.

Here you go Rhes, put this one in your sig honey:

CCP Aporia wrote:
CCP Rise's opinion voiced during his reddit IamA was reasonable, but just because the focus is mainly on the spaceship game does not mean that nobody here has an interest to make meaningful Avatar gameplay within the EVE universe happen. (-:



And why aren't you quoting CCP Seagull? You know, the dev boss? That quote where she said they aren't doing it. They aren't planning on doing it. They aren't planning on planning on doing it.

CCP Seagull's development plan is probably the best plan CCP's had since the very beginning of EVE. Who are we kidding? It's the only meaningful plan they've ever had as a company. If space-barbie ever has a place in the development plan again, I'm convinced Seagull will make sure it happens at the right time. It sure as hell won't be within the next 2 or so years, because there's still too much broken stuff that actually matters.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#206 - 2014-05-06 02:13:55 UTC
mkint wrote:
And why aren't you quoting CCP Seagull? You know, the dev boss? That quote where she said they aren't doing it. They aren't planning on doing it. They aren't planning on planning on doing it.

Simple really. Because unlike many other I'm not about hanging out and arguing all day in threads like this, throwing Dev quotes around and trying to win some silly straw argument about WiS.

Rhes seems to love that **** though, and enjoys pulling out his magic sig quote as a framework for his arguments. It's almost like that toon's sole purpose is to fight against WiS and that's kinda sad really. So I enjoy trolling him a little and keeping him honest - that's why I posted that quote.

The real question should be why doesn't Rhes quote CCP Seagull in his sig?

Quote:
CCP Seagull's development plan is probably the best plan CCP's had since the very beginning of EVE. Who are we kidding? It's the only meaningful plan they've ever had as a company. If space-barbie ever has a place in the development plan again, I'm convinced Seagull will make sure it happens at the right time. It sure as hell won't be within the next 2 or so years, because there's still too much broken stuff that actually matters.

If you can link me to Seagull's statements about WiS as you mentioned I'd love to read them! Smile

I haven't actually read them as I generally don't follow development that closely. I log in to enjoy myself, and I love EVE as it is right now. I'd love to see WiS eventually though, or some form of meaningful, immersive avatar gameplay, and even though it's not coming anytime soon it is coming. It will have to, or EVE will fall behind. Like it or not.

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#207 - 2014-05-06 02:24:52 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
The real question should be why doesn't Rhes quote CCP Seagull in his sig?

Sig space is limited and CCP Rise's quote is succinct enough.

Erica Dusette wrote:
So I enjoy trolling him a little

Trolling is against the forums ToS so expect to have all your posts deleted by ISD.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#208 - 2014-05-06 02:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
I saw a WiS demonstration at Fanfest 2007.

2007. Sad

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#209 - 2014-05-06 02:30:45 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
The real question should be why doesn't Rhes quote CCP Seagull in his sig?

Sig space is limited and CCP Rise's quote is succinct enough.

Erica Dusette wrote:
So I enjoy trolling him a little

Trolling is against the forums ToS so expect to have all your posts deleted by ISD.

Grrr, inevitability of WiS.

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2014-05-06 02:34:15 UTC
Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#211 - 2014-05-06 02:39:52 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

Negative, I didn't pay much attention to Fanfest.

Perhaps my real error though is using the term "WiS".

We all know the "WiS" project is dead right now. When I say WiS I really mean avatar gameplay in general.

So judging by what I -have- heard from Fanfest, and the multitude of avatar-threads popping up since filled with excited players, I'd say the avatar dream is alive and well - just probably not in stations.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#212 - 2014-05-06 02:40:21 UTC
You guys still believe in anything the devs at CCP say? Might aswell still believe in Santa Claus. Please, even the CEO told you to watch what they do and not what they say.
CCP Hellmar wrote:
But enough talk from me. We all know that much quoted phrase, “It’s not what you say, it’s what you do,” that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward.

CCP Seagull hasn't got the last word on what is developed or what comes out when and where. For all you know they can have a team of 10 ppl somewhere getting an Unreal 4 WiS ready for integration and deployment whenever, much like they did with the EVA prototype.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#213 - 2014-05-06 03:11:35 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
You guys still believe in anything the devs at CCP say? Might aswell still believe in Santa Claus. Please, even the CEO told you to watch what they do and not what they say.
CCP Hellmar wrote:
But enough talk from me. We all know that much quoted phrase, “It’s not what you say, it’s what you do,” that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward.

CCP Seagull hasn't got the last word on what is developed or what comes out when and where. For all you know they can have a team of 10 ppl somewhere getting an Unreal 4 WiS ready for integration and deployment whenever, much like they did with the EVA prototype.

I think that's the first time I ever liked one of your posts. Shocked

That's a golden point you made.

I didn't post CCP Aporia's comment to prove anything. Just to give some balance to the quote Rhes enjoys peddling (still hoping someone can link me to Seagull's comments saying WiS is dead n' buried though). Because at the end of the day I think people on both sides of this discussion can agree that because a CCP Dev(s) says something it sure as heck doesn't mean it'll come to fruition. If they said WiS is dead I'd not believe it anymore than if they said it's alive.

Regardless of what ANY individual Dev says I believe moving toward greater immersion is the aim of almost every MMO out there. I believe that we will see avatar gameplay in EVE, whatever the scenario, eventually. And then when you see all the fuss over Legion, and the excitement from players, it only adds weight to the inevitable.

I really don't get why some people so passionately devote so much effort to arguing against WiS/avatars in threads like this.

I'm not into industry, but I don't sit in Industrial-threads all day fighting tooth n' nail against development.

It's a cultural thing really. The thought of space barbies in their blood-thirsty, big boys game makes some people cringe.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#214 - 2014-05-06 04:25:20 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

Good question, deserves a straight answer. But as you and I know, there wasn't.

Unless you want to analyze this from that old team avatar thread:

CCP Bayesian wrote:

There have been a lot of questions on the forums about how this integrates with EVE. Whilst this isn’t the core focus for us at the moment it is something we are thinking about long and hard. Like DUST514, this part of EVE should contribute to the overall economy as well as supporting its own ecosystem. Right now we’re thinking that these abandoned structures are so dangerous, radioactive and toxic, that they can only be entered with special suits. Obviously with access to clones you aren’t worried about radiation and long term health effects of hazardous lifestyles.

etc etc

So in a way, maybe they did speak about WiS at the fanfest. Well, actually Legion.
Quite possibly it's all been about thoughts on Legion ever since abandoning WiS, and how they might integrate it directly into EVE. Two years old though, but has a Legion ring to it, at least looking at it now as they wrote it then.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#215 - 2014-05-06 04:49:59 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

Good question, deserves a straight answer. But as you and I know, there wasn't.

Not quite sure I follow you there.

Are you saying -I- didn't give a straight answer to Rhes's question?

Or did you just word that poorly and actually meant CCP hasn't given us a straight answer regarding WiS?

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#216 - 2014-05-06 05:02:51 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

Good question, deserves a straight answer. But as you and I know, there wasn't.

Not quite sure I follow you there.

Are you saying -I- didn't give a straight answer to Rhes's question?

Or did you just word that poorly and actually meant CCP hasn't given us a straight answer regarding WiS?

...
"there wasn't"
"wasn't"
"But as you and I know, there wasn't."
"wasn't"
Looks correct to me Cool
0+0=0

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#217 - 2014-05-06 05:10:30 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

Good question, deserves a straight answer. But as you and I know, there wasn't.

Not quite sure I follow you there.

Are you saying -I- didn't give a straight answer to Rhes's question?

Or did you just word that poorly and actually meant CCP hasn't given us a straight answer regarding WiS?

...
"there wasn't"
"wasn't"
"But as you and I know, there wasn't."
"wasn't"
Looks correct to me Cool
0+0=0

Thanks Mr "Straight Answers" P

Anyway, I don't believe you're that big of a ****, so I'll go with the latter.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#218 - 2014-05-06 05:39:51 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:

Thanks Mr "Straight Answers" P

Anyway, I don't believe you're that big of a ****, so I'll go with the latter.

Erica, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.

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Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#219 - 2014-05-06 05:47:55 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:

Thanks Mr "Straight Answers" P

Anyway, I don't believe you're that big of a ****, so I'll go with the latter.

Erica, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.

Erica is currently unavailable right nao.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#220 - 2014-05-06 05:57:56 UTC
Shelby Dusette wrote:

Erica is currently unavailable right nao.

But please leave a message! Your feedback is important to us!


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