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Although I like the announcement that Industry gets an overhaul, which it nedded pretty badly, I am somewhat confused about CCP's masterplan to whip any player who wishes to do some things efficiently into sov nulsec!

This is just a plain bad idea.
We know that CCP just loves nulsec and wants as many players as possible to go there.

BUT

Very few players live in Nulsec because of ****** game mechanics! Poor POS Management, awoxers, afk cloaky neuts,

Now industrial slots in Hisec will become absirdly expensive while Mittens sweethearts will be able to use outpost slots for far less?
Will all the hordes of nulsec industrialists be able to satisfy demand of Hisec?

NO!

Simply put: there are too few ibdustrialists in nulsec. And, as GSF and Mittens officially **** on prodders and miners, this change will have a tremendous impact on EVE ingame economics.

Unfortunately, CCP Management fails to understand that as Nulsec residents are simply a minority of eve players and that the majority of Industry and prodding takes place in Hisec and that this has been successfully so for many years, CCP executives do everything they can to nerf Hisec, the home of the majority of EVE players in a way that hopefully a few thousand industrialists will look at the changes, evaluate them and then throw their BPOs in the trash, quit their accounts and leave EVE for the elder scrolls online.

Ice has become a limited resource, thx to mechanic changes, Fuel prices raised a bit as icemining outside hisec became so profitable that the demand on the market could still b fulfilled.

Now every newbie plaer will be able to put a pos anywhere he likes. Why shouldn't there be any standing needed? At least some effort or at least someone elses effort (POS standing service) was needed to have a POS.
Corps payed rent for offices at stations (ISK DRAIN, good against inflation) so thexy could do research and produciton independently from the limitd availability of slots at stations. People used to laugh at other people who accidentally or deliberately stored their bPos inside a POS.

Why do you change this before putting POS management right?

Why do you want to punish poeple who have spent BILLIONS of ISK in BPOs research time and caring and refuelling of POSses?
In order to get better defense capabilities, will we be able to get starbase defense management as a starter skill? With no number of controllable pos modules perhaps?

Game development in EVE lacks a clear transparent und publicly advertised goal!

On the one hand, CCP removes effort/skill requirements for some things so that new player might have easier access (i.E. T1 industrial revamp and other examples). On the other hand highly specialized chars (time intensive skillings) are hit by the nerf hammer as the activites they trained for years now will be far profitable.

Does CCP wants us all to sit in Nulsec, permagrinding anos for faction and officer loot, making billions of isk? Like all the bot ratters in deklein?

Why does CCP wants to increase the income of all these nulsec RMT, that make hundreds of thousands of

For a single run, yes. But the costs will scale if you put on, say, 20 or 40 runs at the same time, as one often does. Is that cost predictable?

Another problem I have: If slots are being removed, are they being retained at POS's? If not, how is that going to work?

So much confusion. But from what I've read so far it's going to make the whole business intensely annoying to manage.

Barriers of entry are more of a themepark trait, not sandbox. There is nothing sandboxy about having to grind through a billion quests to unlock the ability for your character to set up a factory.

I do not like most of the idea's presented here.
I don't know why people get this idea that BPO's are "cost-less." They are a significant investment cost. the material costs did not go away.

To build anything you have a really two ways to go about doing it. Either purchase a BPC pack that someone else already produced the requisite research time and made a copy for a nominal fee. (We all know that market is saturated to the point that unless you have extremely long researched BPO's to make copy from you won't make a dime.) and then just build the item direct.

Or you invest in a BPO. Research it yourself (if by some miracle under the current system you can fly a research slot somewhere anywhere, or own your own POS To do research which has its own issues with the current system)

The POS System as it currently stands is extremely broken in that All POS's are launched for Corporation with no real way to set up individual POS Access Control Lists."

So Now you want me To take my Expensively purchased BPO's that already cost god knows what (please do NOT mention Procurer to me right now) to go research in a pos in the vain hope of getting some of the isk I invested back.

The main complaint here is, you've already made it difficult to break into the invention and manufacturing. Now you're making it even more costly to the new guy.

Pros:
No more wait time for a slot.

Cons:
More costs on something already hideously expensive to do. The risk with BPO's is the amount of isk you invested into them.
More risk of theft.
Making industry even less profitable to the new guy not part of a major organization.

All extra materials are turned into regular materials, that will indeed be now affected by skills and waste. Except for Tech I ships and items, as such:

• You should never see a Paladin require 2 Apocalypses to build
• You should never see a Large shield Extender II require 0.75 Large Shield Extender I to build

Let's be clear here.
CCP taketh from high sec and giveth to sov null sec.
And if you believe that the cartels will let any sov change come through that does not benefit them, well, you know better than that.

When this is all done, sov null sec will be better than high sec in every single way.
Better anoms, better rats, better ice, better rocks, better refining, and now, better industry efficiency.
The only thing that null won't have is the trade hubs, because the majority of the player base is still high sec players.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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Refining is getting a major nerf. Mineral compression is going away completely. instead there will only be 2 viable ways to move huge amounts of trit around in any sensible fashion. Rorqual->JF in Low/Null -or- Compression Array ->Freighter ->Station in High. Post patch no one is going to be shipping trit in an industrial that does any kind of capital production. Its going to have to stay in compressed rock form till it hits it final destination and then refined there with a specialized toon. Since Compression Arrays will be able to be anchored anywhere in High it only stands to reason that CCP needs to have the veld miners be able to use those arrays by also being able to compress their ore for logistics purposes. If all the veld miners had to suddenly start grinding standing to Anchor a stick what do you think would happen to the trit market and then New Eden industry as a whole? If the refining and mineral compression changes were happening at different times they might not have to do away with standings. My guess is that all this is leading to POS code changes down the road but they cant rewrite everything at once so some sacrifices have to be made to have the game at least be functional.

Barriers of entry are more of a themepark trait, not sandbox. There is nothing sandboxy about having to grind through a billion quests to unlock the ability for your character to set up a factory.