Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So. Unlike you, I've tested out the Gila on Singularity. I've seen one (of two, mind you) medium drones strike for roughly the same amount of damage as an entire volley from bonused cruiser guns. And then the OTHER drone shoots, doing roughly the same thing. And then I'm also throwing missiles at the target too- which despite their lower firing rate and pitiful application still actually do noticeable damage. I can be at the edge of missile range because drones aren't locked to being close to my ship, or I could be literally 250 meters from the target and having them webbed to hell and back.

When will people stop attacking the Guristas changes and accept that whatever awful micromanagey "flexibility" that they had before wasn't all that good- and that now they actually might see use everywhere? Like, the only argument I ever see against the new Guristas lineup is "WAAH WAAAAH I WANT FIVE DRONES BECAUSE MICROMANAGING FIVE DRONES IS FUN WHY MUST YOU RUIN MY FUN CCP GIVE ME BACK MY EASILY KILLABLE LIGHTLY BONUSED FIVE DRONES". And if you're worried about the Gila not applying damage to frigates? Aren't there drone tracking modules? Also Valkyries. You've got the space for five effective flights of drones. Use it, stop whining about how the Gila is "useless" because it can't fire off lights. (Semivalid argument for the Rattlesnake, though, unless Geckos really are that good at tracking.)

p.s. The gigantic damage bonus to medium drones is there to ensure that two medium drones can still put out roughly the same amount of DPS as a Gila with five heavies today does. In a smaller, faster package that can and will hit more things, more reliably. If you somehow missed that being implied in my first paragraph.

p.p.s Why the balls are you people wanting to fit dishonour drones onto a ship whose role is drone/missile damage? I don't see the point, at all.

And as far as the Gila goes, there are modules for drones in the game. Use the clients ingame evelopdia (the market tab) what each of those modules does and try them out.
Oh and no subcaptial ship in the game has more drones in the bay than the Gila gets.

Here is a hint, the Gila is a kiting dream.

There are no reasons whatsoever to make the Gila brawl if you don't want to.

Fitting ships is not for everyone but I still encourage everyone to do it themselves. You may learn a thing or two about the game and things you might have never heard of that might be of interest.

Trial and error, preferably you do it on SiSi where isk is not a limiting factor. Do not ask people for fits, create your own. Only you and noone else but you can decide what you like to do and what you do not like to do.

Asking for a fit is also asking to fly the ship for you. Even if you get a fit you may not get the intentions at a first glance or you do something completly opposite of you should have done that you didn't know about and you may get disappointed.

Also, I find it hilarious that ccp gave out 3x geckos (Heavy Drones), when no sub capital ships is capable of deploying more than two.

I really don't know how to respond to this since I think that you either didn't read what I was saying or didn't understand me, maybe you didn't want to. For some reason you found that uninteresting since you sad:



Now I understand your point of view, but I don't think you understand mine, since I'm into that, it brings me joy if you wanted to say it that way. I liked it that I could load up one tons of drones and fly into battle (say it Relic site) and choose what combination of drones, to rep my shield with one drone, with second rep other drones, with third web a target, and with last two do dps! It's why I choose to fly "drone boat". I can do multiple things, it's why most people use drones at all. Like Vincintius sad:



It's not just about pure dps (I already sad this) but the joy of Eve, I don't play it like most people do and I accept that, hell I don't even like PvP it's kinda like PvE only more boring (for me of course). And I for one liked it the way it was. I had fun with it and more importantly I don't think that I'm the only one who actually liked that ship. Furthermore it seems to me that for you Gila wasn't in particular important ship, but like "elitatwo" nicely stated:



Gila was just one beautiful ship which didn't interfere with other's and in the end nerfing it don't serve any purpose whatsoever. Now you can hate me or dislike me but I'm just saying what I think.

Yeah, Gallente cruiser like the Thorax are real bastards to fit. I think I nearly spit out my water when I was playing around with EFT to find something useful to do for my cruiser: I found out you can actually fit a larger tank if you go maximum DPS + shield tank. This is funny.

But on the other hand I had no trouble fitting Moas with 250mm rail guns and Eagles with T2 250mm rails. Still got a huge tank, too. Of course, in PVP the tank gets the short end of the stick, but I could work around it by fitting an oversized active tank on my Moa. The Eagle still has no problems.

In my opinion, since there are no med-slot modules to give you more DPS, Armor-ships often only work if you go active tank + DPS, or in some cases even active SHIELD tank + DPS. This is for PVP, of course. In PVE it's not too bad if you're fitting for tank instead for massive firepower. I guess it comes down to personal taste at that point.

the omen is easy to fit now?

Fitting beams on it is a pain in the butt >=[

I actually tried a shield thorax and it is quite impressive.

I'm good with words..

Aaaaand I stopped reading after this.

Here's a hint, it only cost you 5 billion isk in my walltet, she does not.

I have a suggestion for the new Gila stats.

So I have read a lot of posts from other players about the Gila and I found a great deal of these posts to be fairly accurate. Having a 20mb bandwidth is atrocious for any drone ship. I understand fully that a 500% bonus is huge and is much appreciated. However you cannot fly any other type of drone, not even a full flight of unbonused light drones. I am sure that you have seen many of these posts with different opinions and ideas on the Gila so I will not be getting into every detail. I understand that CCP is trying to lock the Gila into a specific role but I think it can be done better than this.

My only issue is I personally like having a full flight of drones, it makes me feel badass. Not only that, a full flight of drones tends to make your enemy tremble. Its simple, do you fight that guy over there with 5 drones that do a ton of damage? Or do you fight the other guy over there that has 2 drones that do the same amount of damage but his drones have more HP?

Another example for this. Mr Peebody is in his Caracal sitting inside a FW spot. He ignores his DSCAN long enough that a Gila pops in and launches drones. He is then pointed and sees a swarm of 5 drones coming at him. The shock value is much more than seeing 2 drones coming after you. Lets do one more!

You are in a fleet fight and it is going pretty well for your fleet. Your FC gives the order to Primary the Drones that the 2 Gilas popped out. You and your allies then have to take down 10 Drones. This will require more targeting for your fleet increasing the time of the battle. If these Gilas only carry 2 drones then your fleet has to only target and kill 4 drones.

So how do we remedy this? Simple, INCREASE the bandwidth and LOWER the bonus!

One way off the top of my head is this. Cut that 500% bonus and make it 140%. Then set the bandwidth from 20 to 50.
This lets you use 5 Medium Drone and you get the same DPS that you would with the 2 Medium Drones at 500%.
This also allows the use of other drones, although ineffective but still possible. This also lets us have a full flight of mediums.

Current Stats (in math form!)
If one drone does 25dmg, then 2 drones do 50dmg plus 500% = 300 (This is just an example and not the real damage values)

New Stats (in math form!)
If one drone does 25dmg, then 5 drones do 125dmg plus 140% =300 (This is just an example and not the real damage values)

Not only does this keep CCP happy with what they are trying to do with the Gila, it keeps the community happy with a full flight of mediums that do the exact same DPS and overall combined HP.

Now I took the time to come up with what I think would be a solid solution. So I think you should take the time to look this over and tell me what you think. As well as a possible CCP response on this.