Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so you're admitting that the point range would be completely wasted on the cynabal

why have it then

You can already get 800+dps out of the Gila. Ask Laserzpewpew about ganking a hundred goons in a PvP Gila.

nice straw man argument. the point range bonus would be awesome for the whole angel line as it would go naturally with kiting tactics. the problem with the current point ranges (except faction) is that they are not scaling well with kiters, the sweet spot is at the limit of point range and you can easily lose the target with such an extremly narrow range for errors.

Edit: also what good the warp speed bonus will bring? the need for an all Cynabal fleet in order to use that speed bonus in roams?

That's true of anyone shooting our ratters, be it solo Purifiers or small gangs of Maledictions with EM missiles.

My point is, the Gila can already do huge dps, and the tank isn't getting any real buff.

So you don't see the advantage to a roaming party to have a fast cruiser or two that is very survivable be able to warp ahead of their prey and catch them on the other side of the gate? It would easily be able to hold most ships for the few seconds it would take for the rest of the group to get there.

Sure, inty's can do that as well, but depending on the prey can be far less survivable and are more limited in other area's as well.

So pointing out that according to your own reasoning the bonus being proposed is useless is a straw man argument? So sticking to the topic and addressing the weaknesses of the bonus directly is a misdirection of the argument over that very same bonus? Either the ship works with 50km points or it doesn't. If not, which was your argument, there is no good reason to add that.

As to your question, the same good it does for every ship which uses faster warping to catch prey before they have a chance to react.

they would have too increase its falloff and damage bonus too make a 30-35km worth it

Rather than a range bonus to disruptors on Angel ships, they should get a strength bonus to disruptors and scrams. +1 would do nicely. Note that this would not turn a disruptor into a scram (still would need a scram to disable MWD), but would make the Angel ships better at holding those who do not want to be held.

Or any Gurista drone, really. I'm not entirely sure how easy it is to jam them given the omni sensor strength... does that mean you have to jam each racial one, or get super lucky and win all the rolls with a multispec? If so, good luck jamming even a single heavy drone when they have a sensor strength of 22.5 on each sensor type.

Hmm, perhaps this will lead to altering drones to use only their native sensor type? It'd be interesting to see, at the least.


I think the Phantasm looks great compared to what it used to be. The capacitor is inherently better and since it only fits an MWD, not an AB, the cap life gets WAY better (also justifies some of the fitting that was taken away). The loss of a second utility high makes me a little sad but it is by far and away worth the +2 lows that it will receive. One thing I have noticed so far is that Sansha completely lacks any shield bonus... they just have more mid slots than lows. If the Nightmare gets +1 low slot, I would imagine that all Sansha ships could try to armor tank (albeit not fabulously) and use mids for dual web/TC/TD/Cap booster/SeBo or just about any other utility you could think of, just like their lore suggests. (efficient use of hardpoints to do lots of things)

The Ashimmu is going to be GREAT! Sure, people will moan and groan about the loss of a high slot, but if you think about it... Nos RoF bonus will make the new full Nos Ashimmu just as effective as the old Neut Ashimmu in terms of capping power, and with A-type Nos it will have a range of 19km no problem. What does it lose? Well, if loses a 90% web to have 2x60% 20km webs. Though if you have an Ashimmu it might be better to grab the Fed Navy ones to reach out to 30km before heat. There's whining about the fitting as well, but it makes no sense to me whatsoever - it no longer fits another neut/nos OR a medium cap booster, so if anything the fitting is getting a little bit better IMO. Maybe a bit tight on the CPU though, we'll see.

Not too sure what to say about the Cynabal. One of its largest strengths was the sheer versatility it had and while the warp bonus is certainly nice, I can't see it as a justification for reducing its fitting strengths. I'll have to see what the mass/agility changes do to it before I come to any conclusions.

according to the formula, the align time of ashimmu should be 8.85s
rise please check it again.