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How about a badger LPG tanker?

You could give it a bonus like, say, if its ganked with a full load of gas it explodes and kills everything around it

Thank you. All those weird input quantities were triggering my OCD.

To clarify for those who are interested, the new figures seem to be obtained with the following formula:

new value = Round(old value * new input qty / old input qty.)

Round to which ever number of decimals is appropriate. For volumes 2 decimals. For minerals, 0. The new mineral contents are still for a theoretical 100% refine.

Also, Compressed Mercoxit is still massively greater in volume than its Morphite content.

Mineral compression isn't going away completely. Instead of 425mm guns or gas harvesters or whatever, it's going to be compressed ore.

As for the refining situation, they could put up a refining death star (small or medium tower with lots of guns and the intense refining module) whenever needed and then warp the refined material to station or directly into a component assembly arrays. They'll still be getting more minerals than they used to from stations (since they increased ore mineral content so that the new 72% = old 100% and they'll be getting 78% from the intense refinery...)

Also, I thought the point of EVE was to shoot things, so are you saying that's a bad thing? No risk, no isk. And what's really at risk here? A tower that's costing you time or isk (fuel blocks) and a refining module (which will probably get cheaper as it will get a bump in production as it will be in demand) in the bare bones configuration, some additional guns or ecm if you decide to arm it. Compared to the profit, is this a reasonable risk? For the cost of a jump freighter (which you'll probably use for this) you can probably buy more than 10 of these towers...

We're taking over the world!

I think the wormhole guys are getting more than everyone else. For those of us who live and build in our towers, this is going to remove one of the most annoying steps in the process of converting ore to sellable goods. Now instead of having to haul everything to station to refine, then haul all the materials back to the tower, I'll just mine straight into my tower refining array and build right there. I also appreciate the fact that I can now make fuel blocks for the tower much easier. That was something I missed when they switched over to the blocks, just being able to throw the PI right in with the refined ice product.

Even if I had to refine in station, it's pretty much the same amounts as before, so I don't see what the big deal is and why folks are screaming that it's going to be a huge nerf. Sure, you can't reprocess the 425's anymore, but out in concord-less space you'll be pulling more minerals out of the ore than empire one way or another (whether by intense refining arrays or upgraded outposts) All the ore and minerals that used to go into building those 425's is going to be heading to the market or being put into other things now too.

Now all they have to do is tell us they're going to increase the mineral content of meta modules to being higher than the meta0 modules and the mission runners dilemma will be mostly solved. Right?

not sure if its been posted in the previous 90 pages, but minmatar stations need some serious love.

Currently the minmatar station is strictly worse then all other stations, except for the fact that it can refine

Current attributes on base stations before any upgrades are installed


Station:( Regular Build Slots, Bosster Build Slots, Combined Lab slots{ME, PE, Copying, Invention Slots} , Office Slots)

Amarr ( 50, 10, 6, 16)
Caldari ( 5, 5, 80, 18)
Gallente ( 10, 10, 14, 36)
Minmatar ( 5, 0 , 0, 10)

Currently the only thing helping the minmatar station is the base 35% refinery. After the patch the only thing the minmatar station will have is a 2% base increase to refining over other stations while still being worse at everything else

soo summer 2020? ^^

Why should changes need to wait, the Minmatar is currently getting a heavy nerf due to changes to the other races stations. The reason why people used them in the 1st place is being turned into a very small bonus to 1 service while having little to none of the other services offered by other stations. Several different options exist and it should not be that difficult to change the attributes (since all other player built stations are receiving a new service) to increase the abilities to bring them in line with the others.

The amount of Isk/time to build a station is not trivial and as it stands now I see no reason why people would ever want to drop a Minmatar station again or even use one that exists for that matter. The loss of refinery % will be small compared to the need to build in either another system (making it so the refined materials need to be moved again) or building in a POS in system due to the lack of build slots in station.

The other option would be to increase the difference (base and upgraded) for refining to make the additional costs to build in a system outside of the station worthwhile.

I did not miss that, I even stated that (not with the exact numbers) by saying it would have, what I consider to be, a small bonus for 1 activity. Does that small bonus make up for the complete lack of anything else?

The lowest amount of offices of all stations...

The point of the post was about how compared with the current stats of other stations the only advantage Minmatar has is that it can refine. Nothing is being added to compensate for the unique ability being given to everyone.

After you use that additional refine % that is given to the station you still have to build something with the materials. With the current stats you quickly run out of build slots and then only have the choice between hauling those materials to a station in another system to use the build slots or using a POS, thus causing additional costs to be incurred to fuel the POS.