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Why not put bubbles on the gates and have a gate camp fleet. Not taking precautions means you asked for it to happen to you.

No one should die in 0.0 just like no one should die in HS. All of you are bitchmade if you think losing a ship is an example of risk taking. Losing a ship means you ****** up and suck.

the old hotness will not always be the next hotness. i imagine players started building in lowsec because it was a good idea at the time, but things change.

i'm not affiliated with goons or anyone else in particular... at this time... but for the record i'll be voting goons 11x this year. 6x more than last year. after threads like this, it just feels right.

Wrong. In the time it takes you do all of that you could have done another 5 missions are earned a lot more in LP.

I don't care about the isk, I care about the 30% reduction to minerals I acquire from missions. Not only do I now need to go to a third party (or do more missions) I also need to transport them, this means hiring another individual, or training irrelevant skills for my character, or starting a new character. It is entirely inconvenient change to my production capacity for absolutely no benefit to any other aspect of the game, It doesn't generate isk, it doesn't remove isk, all it does is changes where the isk goes...and ultimately that is out to 0.0.

Also if your pilots aren't getting more out of anoms in 0.0 they are doing them wrong.



All these things are common with LS which is the only space actually getting hit with the nerf bat.

show me the spread sheet. you have a mission spread sheet, don't you?

TL'DR:
fully skilled char (with months of training) plus an implant= 72.4% refining yield
fresh char, no skill, no implant, just a POS =========== 75.3% refining yield

that doesn't seem fair or good game mechanics...


first,

I had a problem with the max refine not being 100% (as an absolute number, fully knowing that with the mining buff it is almost the same) but it seems CCP want to keep some wiggle room for more deployables/implants/ ... in the future to further increase refining yield. so i m fine with it.

I have also no problem with null having better refining yield after a lot of skill/time/iskies investment , i understand the risk vs reward formula

However, i really dislike the POS workaround CCP made. Let me explain:

Currently in high Sec NPC stations the Max refining yield (including all skills at V and the +4% implant) is 72.4%
However, a Char with no skills, no implants, just access to a POS array (still in high sec) gets an automatic refining yield of 75.3%

let me restate the numbers

fully skilled char (wiht months of training) plus an implant= 72.4%
fresh char, no skill, no implant, just a POS =========== 75.3%

take the same skilled char with implants and use the POS array, u still get the same yield 75.3%

i have a sever issue with that! it goes against all the reasons that pushed CCP to make these changes. Why would i bother with complete my char training up to V now, i ll just buy a pos and filled with refining arrays.

A fully skilled Char should be better than am untrained char, keep the POS yeild high, and better than a station but give the skilled char an advantage, even if minimal....

Thanks for reading

An RX-804 refining implant (even now) costs 300m+ isk and sells in low volumes. I can get alot of pvp out of that amount of isk. Additionally that's more than half of my funds right now and i don't expect it to get any cheaper after this announcement.

My warp speed implant gost 600 mil and is used by my mission alt to make more isk. I dont see the problem with making expensive one time investments for long term gains.

Right so we agree, that "safety'" is relative to a situation and applies solely to the pilot sitting behind the keyboard. So how is the "safety" of HS at all relative to game balance if it is ultimately as "safe" as null sec

All that Nullsec requires over HS is time and effort in gaining and holding systems. Which is rewarded in the moons, and minerals available to pilots to retrieve. It is rewarded in the superior isk generation of Anoms, and other such sites (exploration).

So maybe it is time to drop the whole risk/reward thing, and focus on the effort/reward thing, which would require CCP to acknowledge that Sov mechanics are crap for the benefits you receive.

Yeah, that's completely reasonable. Honestly the unupgraded minmatar thing isn't a huge deal since everyone always slapped a tier1 upgrade on it anyway (to get to 100%). Your method also cuts down on the possible refine levels which is nice.