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ok then, let's stick to reality:
- in contrast to hisec, sov holding alliances are already organized to provide intel on any intruder, who could possibly disrupt a mining operation.
- in contrast to hisec, non-blue locals are very few and very far between in deep sov 0.0.
- the same as in hisec, any new local can be on his way to disrupt the mining, but in contrast to hisec, you rarely see one, so you have a much smaller frequency of false positive threat assessments.

any argument about protecting your space, locked in assets etc. is inherently invalid when applied to the supposed profitability of mining, as obviously, the space you hold is already valuable enough to hold with or without mining, so there is no reason to provide any extra value to it (especially considering the stance of GSF towards mining displayed in this thread).

This is correct. However, since what he described was a scaling increase in reprocessing yields as the security status of the system goes down, he was also correct in his assessment. Everybody wins!

I have just fully read the blog and have a few comments & questions:

1) I don't see what is wrong with leaving refining as being called refining in terms of ore & ice and having reprocessing of already processed materials such as modules etc as being called reprocessing. After all this is how it is in real life and it just seems logical to me therefore these terminologies should remain as they are.

2) So to confirm what was written would a high sec refiner of ore & ice need the following at a 50% NPC station to achieve the maximum possible yield in high sec:
Refining at lvl 5.
Refinery Efficiency at lvl 5.
All or relevant to their needs Ore Processing skills to lvl 5.
A 4% refining hardwiring implant fitted.

3) Halving the return on reprocessing loot is going to seriously reduce the income that mission runners can make depending if they gather the loot or are more interested in mission rewards & LP. The blog doesn't touch on this issue very much as CCP still appears to be under the thraldom of the nullsec community and the nullsec CSM powerbase. Would or has a CCP dev made a comment on mission income as a result of this change?

4) IT does seem like CCP is forcing the nullsec community down one method of transporting minerals/ore into nullsec to produce capital ships. What will be the jump freighter m3 capacity needed to transport compressed ore from high to null sec versus the current favoured method of transporting 425mm Railguns from high to null sec and reprocessing them to use the minerals?

5) A lot of pilots consider miners to be the scum of the earth, parasites, etc. If the proposed changes come to pass will the nullsec community start mining on a large scale in nullsec systems or will they purchase compressed ore in high sec and JF it back to nullsec?

6) It seems to me like the proposed changes will make the Rorqual redundant especially once the changes come in to make the Rorqual not provide bonuses to miners if it is within a POS shield. Does CCP have anything to add regarding this issue?

On balance I don't think anything in this dev blog should be implemented. The main reasoning for it appears to be to appease the nullsec community which it largely fails to do as it drops a spanner in the works of their industrial capability. The other reason for this proposal being to bodge the 'extra materials' mess from all the 'ship rebalancing' that wasn't needed or wanted.

I truly hope you pull back from this idea and put some consideration into fixing broken things. This proposal alludes to fixing broken things in nullsec but breaks a number of other processes across the whole of New Eden.

Corporation Roles & Permissions in conjunction with running POSes are really broken. I suggest you go have a look at that issue instead?

You bring up some good points.

1.) Don't get me started on the imbalances of the Sov system. Ill admit that the current system makes it very risky for small entities holding sov, which is why nullsec production will generally be found in the "Safer" homes of larger coalition entities. From such positions, the risk of loss is pretty much identical to that of a lowsec producer. Stop the propaganda and be honestly, unless you are in a small alliance/coalition, this is a very small risk your BPO's get locked up in a station.

2.) I did not realize the nullsec Minmatar stations only have 5 MFG lines. Even upgraded, you aren't going to have too many MFG lines. This is a legitimate reason to boost Minmatar station refining. To be honest though, minmatar stations are primarily built FOR their refining potential. It makes sense they should refine better than other stations, I just don't know where that level should be. They are regularly upgraded to Tier 1 stations, and I firmly believe that the POS Intensive refinery should refine better than the Tier 1 Minmatar Outpost. I like the 54% POS, 53% Tier1 Minmatar balance, and would recommend reducing the efficiency of "Other" outposts rather than increasing the efficiency of the Minmatar ones.

Here's a new topic: Compression. In the currently proposed changeset, you need to use a POS in highsec to compress ore. This is good for people with an established corporation and pos infrastructure, but it's a little restrictive to the solo player or the new player, who lacks the standings and the capital to run a POS.

My suggestion, in this regard, is to keep the existing ore compression blueprints, but allow them to be used in standard industrial lines. Alternatively, allow right-click compression to simply function in stations. In the blueprint option, remove the skills needed to use the blueprints and make their PE research values low-to-nonexistent to allow a new player to quickly bootstrap themselves into compressed ore.

This will let new players and solo players more readily produce compressed ore, which, I believe, will quickly become the preferred method to trade minerals in Eve. The POS module for compressing ore should remain, however, to allow people with the necessary wherewithal to produce mining emplacements in areas of space with no stations, allowing them to bend their superior skills and capital into a market advantage.

Ya because you can totally limit gate travel in HS. You can have a mining op defense fleet aggress neutrals in HS. Come on man, this whole Null isn't as safe is entirely bogus.

Bubble the gate get a +1 and align out, by the time "enemy" is out of the gate bubble you are aligned, get a Dscan hit warp to safe. Wait for guy to get bored repeat. Or just put a defensive gate camp up and go about your business, because you can freely engage anything that comes into system. Null has much more safety measures available to it than HS, you are living in a dream world if you don't think its true. Hell you can freely shoot without a care in the world that is a huge safety advantage.

Especially null that is 20 or so systems deep into "Blue Space" You think the guys up in Tenal, or Deklein fear of getting ganked? If they did they wouldn't be out ratting and plexing in Carriers and Supers. Give your head a shake parrot.

Ultimately your complaints come down to Sov mechanics which CCP will not change because doing so will only remove the only publicity this game gets 4K man Tidi brawls.

Its funny seeing the regular Goon posting crew being the only ones calling this a good change. Mittens must have sent a ping out this morning.

If there intended goal was to nerf compression why not just change the m3 values of the modules themselves, I mean its not very realistic in the first place.

you are already investing this effort, with or without mining. if the space you hold is not worth it without mining, either start ******* mining or abandon 0.0 and join fw. seeing as you are unwilling to do either, the effort is probably worth it and the intel network can be considered free, as far as mining ops go.
the same amount of effort would be highly inefficient (or even impossible) in highsec and would have exactly 0 benefit beyond safer mining. again, reality, not *what if we were idiots who didn't know how to intel*.

So, the solo/new miner should not be able to participate in the mining economy at all until they've trained up Capital Industrial Ships and Industrial Reconfiguration? The proposed changeset is going to make compressed ore the sovereign currency by which minerals are traded, due to the need to run them through a Minmatar T3 station.