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This is correct; all scrap metal refines will produce 55% of the minerals that they do today at maximum, on both sides of the summer expansion. Additionally, to claw out even that much efficiency, you need Scrapmetal Processing to 5.

About the mining bit, you forget that markets will look for equilibrium's all the time, this means that if a profession (say mining) will have a dip in volume (as in hours, since the isk/hour ratio will go down for mining), the output volume of mining will reach a equilibrium after a while, since the people going out of the profession will leave a hole in the provided volume from mining activity, since the volume in ores / minerals from mining will drop, people will have to scoop up less volume from the same amount of buy-orders, this will drive up buy order prices, what will attract new miners since the isk / hour ratio will up again, etc... etc...

This was already at 31 pages when i started writing and I did take time to read all the replies so far.

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I find myself with odd mixed feelings about this change being proposed. On one had null does need a boost to give it a much better competitive edge in terms of some industrial changes. However I am not sure I like the way its being proposed.

I think this is overly complicated.

1. I understand the desire to make null sec and player owned/built structures have more value as there is greater risk associated with owning and operating. This I 100% support. However I have never felt that the issue was one of refine rate. In fact I think 100% refine rates are perfectly okay. The issue is that there is ZERO cost associated with NPC refine rates. Once you build up enough standing with said NPC entity you get a big zero on the "we take" side. Sorry but this never made sense to me (though i did as a big ass carebear in high sec benefit from it) but the costs of doing business in high sec seem to be missing in some equations.

There should ALWAYS be a cost associated with using an NPC station for anything....whether that be refine, research, industry etc...etc.... and these taxes should be imho MUCH higher than they are now. Instead of tinkering with the gameplay mechanics so much adding new and useless lines of code - you could have just raised the taxes in high sec.

That being said - I do see that there needs to be some usefulness put into those lvl 5 refine and ore skills. You could have just tweaked the refine rates to less than 100% and made it so that you get 100% with those level 5s.

Instead you have opted for a complicated math solution that confuses the masses and makes people think okay "how do I perfect this" oh wait i cant get 100% - i have some complicated math then we add some extra minerals in...but those will be lost in the conversions...etc..etc...

Just seems a bit daft to me this approach. The goal, and perhaps I am not fully understanding it, is to rebalance refine with a boost to null sec. With taxes its as easy as saying in high sec 10% of all minerals refined are taxed, Low sec 5% null sec - alliance set and just modified that refinery % at each of the stations (btw several others have mentioned this - there is no rationale behind a corp or station being a better refinery over another in high sec - there are Military bases with perfect refine and mining corp stations with less than perfect - be nice to fix that)

2. Changes to scrapmetal - this one I don't understand at all - you have taken a valuable profession in salvaging and looting - one that any newbie in a t1 fit thrasher or catalyst can do - and nerfed it heavily. In addition many people used this to refine for the low/null minerals when starting out - again a big nerf to small time indy folks who are just starting the game.

The really bad result of this change is that the flexibility of minerals is lost. You can no longer build something and recycle it and get a significant portion of the materials back. What you are in essence saying is that in the future nobody will have perfected recycling in any meaningful way. I do like the instant compression on the Rorq and the POS modules - but I would strongly suggest making the skills apply to the POS modules. Not some freebee "it thinks your perfect" just because you have a POS - otherwise your defeating the purpose of making those skills for refine/ore not really matter.

In addition the POS modules should receive some sort of Sov bonus - why should a high sec or low sec POS have the same advantage as a null POS ? A null POS is much more risk - either have different modules (ie: some regular stuff that can be anchored anywhere with basic refine - some upgraded stuff for low sec with slightly higher stats - and some faction pirate stuff with much higher stats) or that you receive some bonus from the I-Hub.

I am overall worried about the effects on new players and small time industrialists in high sec. These changes will make it much more difficult to squeeze profit out of diminished margins. There are not alot of options for new players who DONT want to join the big alliances and coalitions and I think both of these changes are significantly increasing the complexity of the game and their ability to come into EvE and learn. I did not join a blob or even a corp for my first year and a half, but i still enjoyed the social side of the game (insert big plug for CAS - the best NPC corp in the game) I have really enjoyed myself more since moving to null and exploring and learning some basic pvp. But I did it at my pace and how I wanted to play the game.

Sometimes I see these changes and I think its an experiment on how to get people to play the game differently rather than letting them enjoy it at their own pace.

My main concerns:
- overly complicated , hard to figure out or goal set to see how you get to the best refine
- provides equal bonuses to high/low/null pos's - should provide a scale - ie: better refine in null
- creates barriers on some of the early professions - refining, industrial production, salvaging
- reduces mineral flexibility - which i think will drive up prices which will drive down pvp as many are risk adverse
and not all corps or alliances have or can afford luxury SRP plans.

I think this needs lots more discussion and testing....I am supportive that changes need to be made....let's just go slow on this one.

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Death of the casual player. Join a 0.0 alliance, pay tribute, force yourself to login for CTAs, activity minimums. Screw having a real life. We have gone from sandbox to WoW style level regions.

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way too long dev blog...... wtf

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