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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Salvos Rhoska
#481 - 2014-03-15 22:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.


Never mind your choosing to bring forth a conclusion you reached where emasculating someone and feeding his genitals to a dog is even a POSSIBILITY worth considering, which you've proven you did by bringing it into the conversation of your own volition.


You are the one who brought into the conversation, of your own volition, the POSSIBILITY of screwing my wife.

Which by your logic, means you've just proven that you are someone who would screw another man's wife, because you actually considered it. As proven by your own words and including it into the scenario.

You failed again, kid. You really are not any good at this at all. You just aren't smart enough.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#482 - 2014-03-15 22:47:44 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.


Never mind your choosing to bring forth a conclusion you reached where emasculating someone and feeding his genitals to a dog is even a POSSIBILITY worth considering, which you've proven you did by bringing it into the conversation of your own volition.


You are the one who brought into the conversation of your own volition, the POSSIBILITY worth considering which youve proven of screwing my wife.

Ergo you just proved that you are someone who would screw another man's wife, because you actually considered it.

You failed again, kid. You really are not any good at this at all. You just aren't smart enough.


Actually no, that was someone else's volition. Goe Rilla was the person who initially brought into being, the scenario based around sleeping with one's wife.

But you don't seem to care about actuality.

Also, why do you feel that cutting off the genitals of a man and feeding it to an animal is an appropriate response to infidelity?
Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#483 - 2014-03-15 22:54:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I think the eaelier comment by someone, that much uneccessary and unfounded disgruntlement is actually rooted in some peoples inability or unwillingness to accept or understand the nature of this game as compared to many other MMOs, rather than the "toxiccommunity", is very true.

Its not the behavior of other people towards them that is the problem, the problem is their own attitude.

If I walk around in life with unrealistic expectations both of the way the world works and of the nature of my fellow mankind, I will be repeatedly dissappointed and angry, not because of what other autonomous people are doing in it, but because I am so stupid as to assume I am responsible for, or capable of controlling, anyone else except myself.

These people dont seem to understand the fundamental link between the ability to control an outcome, and being responsible for it.

I am not responsible for how others view my actions. Why? Because I have no business or auspice to control how they view it.
That is their own prerogative, purview and privilege and one I cannot determine or define. Its in their own head to which I have no access or business.

Reciprocally, this also means that though they are free to view my actions as they wish, their views have NO control over my own autonomous choices in my own life. Their views are their own, and not mine, and do not define how I choose to live my life, no matter how they try to claim that theirs is the "right" way.

But many people dont understand this. They think because they dont "like" something, that somehow means they are entitled to judge and restrict those who do like that.

How does this translate in EVE?

As some people who expect others to behave according to how THEY demand and perceive they should, according to their own internal system of beliefs. Is that fair towards the other person? Hell no. Does that entitle them to dictate how others should behave or think? Absolutely not. Why not? Becuase the same rationale could be levelled right back at them, and they, in return, be expected (against their own autonomy and self-determination) to act as those other people whom they presume to dictate to, dictate right back to them.

Its a ridiculous arrangement, premise and approach to interaction with others.

Its also extremely offensive and socially reprehenensible to even THINK you are in somekind of position to dictate to others how they should behave. It is none of your business. You have no control over how others behave, only over how YOU yourself behave.

I am not responsible for how you feel about something.
I am not responsible to your personal view on how "things should be".
I am not beholden to act as you in your head think I should.
You dont, and cant, control me, nor I you.

Its abhorrent to even think or attempt otherwise, and yet that is exactly what this thread is trying to defend.

Stop trying to dictate how others live their lives and how they choose to conduct themselves.

In summary: A whole bunch of excuses for anti-social childish behaviour.

If things were your way:
- I could go to nightclubs and randomly call girls "skanks". If they get offended, that's their fault not mine.
- I could tell my university professor he's a fat ugly sweaty loser. If he gets offended, that's his fault.
- I could go to the gym and tell people who are new to working out that they are petty, skinny weaklings who couldn't lift a feather. If they get offended, hey that's their fault too.

If you actually believe this to be true, you are simply proving our point even further: That griefers and grief-supporters are truly anti-social people who have no place in a game that involves large scale social interaction.

Once you become an adult you are expected to treat people with a basic level of respect. Society has that expectation. If you do not meet it we deem you toxic and prefer you are not part of the community. That isn't "me" or "him" controlling behaviour. That is us, all of us, the majority.

There is nothing wrong with controlling people's behavior when it affects people in a negative way. You can be sued for defamation for instance. There is nothing wrong with stepping up to the plate and defending those who you think have been wronged. It is in fact one of the more noble things man can do.
Salvos Rhoska
#484 - 2014-03-15 22:55:24 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Also, why do you feel that cutting off the genitals of a man and feeding it to an animal is an appropriate response to infidelity?


The scenario was entirely of your creation, not his. I already linked the specific thread above. You are dissembling now. Whether deliberately because you are dishonest, or unintentionally because you are an idiot incapable of remembering your own words, or the chronology of events.

Now you imply that I "feel" that it is an appropriate response.

Nowhere have I said that I "feel" it is an appropriate response.
Show me where I have said that I "feel" it is an appropriate response? Oh, you can't?

You argued that you are a better man than me, because you would not screw my wife due to consideration of me.
The real reason you would not screw my wife, is because of the consideration that if you did, I might cut your balls off and toss them to my dogs.

That is the reason you do not do it, and certainly not one which makes you a "better" man than any other.
What does, however, make me a better man by the same logic, is that if you did indeed do it, I would choose not to cut off your tiny appendage and I love my dogs too much to feed them such trash.
Salvos Rhoska
#485 - 2014-03-15 22:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives wrote:
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Ignored as troll alt.

Your name is FAR too obvious.

Please, try to maintain even a modicum of effort and skill in your trolling.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#486 - 2014-03-15 22:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sephira Galamore wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its also a PvP game, get used to being shot at.

Where do you have that from?

Wikipedia wrote:
Eve Online (stylised EVE Online) is a video game by CCP Games. It is a player-driven, persistent-world MMORPG set in a science fiction space setting.
CCP wrote:
The Sandbox is the game world of EVE combined with the persistent actions of thousands upon thousands of players who interact with one another in a single-server environment..

Player-driven != PvP; player interaction != PvP

Unless you assume that if a game has feature x, it is an x-game.
Then I claim Eve is a PvE game. :p

My point is, Eve is a lot of things. To a lot of different people, and often many things at once.
Ofc the sandbox part means, you can try to include them in your game (as can they vice versa), but again, that is your personal decision :)


Eve is most definitely a PvP game, you should try reading the new player faq that was published recently, extracts relevant to your post are quoted below for your convenience.
Official New Player FAQ wrote:
5.3 SOME PLAYER JUST SHOT ME; IS THAT ALLOWED?
In EVE Online, any player may attack any other player if they choose to, no matter where they happen to be. This is because EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core ..... Furthermore, as we mentioned previously, once you
enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept ..... The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment ..... 7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

ButtFungus
SOONWAFFE
#487 - 2014-03-15 22:58:45 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.


Never mind your choosing to bring forth a conclusion you reached where emasculating someone and feeding his genitals to a dog is even a POSSIBILITY worth considering, which you've proven you did by bringing it into the conversation of your own volition.


You are the one who brought into the conversation of your own volition, the POSSIBILITY worth considering which youve proven of screwing my wife.

Ergo you just proved that you are someone who would screw another man's wife, because you actually considered it.

You failed again, kid. You really are not any good at this at all. You just aren't smart enough.


Actually no, that was someone else's volition. Goe Rilla was the person who initially brought into being, the scenario based around sleeping with one's wife.

But you don't seem to care about actuality.

Also, why do you feel that cutting off the genitals of a man and feeding it to an animal is an appropriate response to infidelity?

I agree. The man didn't do anything but nail a woman. She was the one that cheated, so you should cut her genitals off and feed them to your dog. You should take the dude out and buy him a beer for showing you what a whorin' b**ch you married.
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#488 - 2014-03-15 23:00:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
D. I., you need to stop answering trolls They´re wired differently. Their moral pragmatism (which is a form of mild autism) is a consequence of their absence of empathy, which makes them see everything as a low-level conflictual situation in which one has to have the upper hand, since no universal truths are agreed upon.

And just as gankers/scammers etc use complex meta and corrupt communication to generate Schadenfreude, your textual exchanges with them are disharmonious and rife with dishonesty, basic sophistry, and false emotional appeals on their part. It´s absolutely pointless.
Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#489 - 2014-03-15 23:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives
When your actions cause mental anguish for a large amount of players, you should feel ashamed to defend such actions by claiming it is their fault for feeling the mental anguish. Such person should feel even more ashamed that they commit these actions for no reasonable gain other than personal enjoyment. The vast, vast, vast majority of us control our behavior as a means of being respectful and non-offensive to the community around us. People who cannot control themselves in that manner have behavioral issues and are perhaps sociopaths.

I have no interest in arguing further with anyone who cannot see that, to me that person is self-inducing a delusion so he doesn't have to feel bad about himself.
Salvos Rhoska
#490 - 2014-03-15 23:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Just as you use calling other people trolls, blaming others and laughable pseudo-psychology as a means to avoid culpability, responsibility and introspection for your own actions, choices and life.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#491 - 2014-03-15 23:02:17 UTC
ButtFungus wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.


Never mind your choosing to bring forth a conclusion you reached where emasculating someone and feeding his genitals to a dog is even a POSSIBILITY worth considering, which you've proven you did by bringing it into the conversation of your own volition.


You are the one who brought into the conversation of your own volition, the POSSIBILITY worth considering which youve proven of screwing my wife.

Ergo you just proved that you are someone who would screw another man's wife, because you actually considered it.

You failed again, kid. You really are not any good at this at all. You just aren't smart enough.


Actually no, that was someone else's volition. Goe Rilla was the person who initially brought into being, the scenario based around sleeping with one's wife.

But you don't seem to care about actuality.

Also, why do you feel that cutting off the genitals of a man and feeding it to an animal is an appropriate response to infidelity?

I agree. The man didn't do anything but nail a woman. She was the one that cheated, so you should cut her genitals off and feed them to your dog. You should take the dude out and buy him a beer for showing you what a whorin' b**ch you married.


hahahaha! what?! No! Not at all. You should just divorce her and go on living your life. I mean if you want to buy that guy a beer, sure go for it. It'll probably lead to a great friendship. But the genital removing is wrong.
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#492 - 2014-03-15 23:18:43 UTC
Are you an alt of those very people?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#493 - 2014-03-15 23:21:35 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
Are you an alt of those very people?


I have zero alts. This is my only character, and I just started playing like a month ago.
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#494 - 2014-03-15 23:27:03 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Again you demonstrate you are a dilettante and a hack when it comes to matters of ethics and morality. Juvenile, frankly


Must strenuously object to the implication that morality and ethics are some kind of complex science only for super intelligent folks.
Ethics and morality can generally be understood by children, who lack only wisdom from experience that guides choices.
This thread is silly, like all the other e-bushido fueled drivel.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Salvos Rhoska
#495 - 2014-03-15 23:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Ethics and morality can generally be understood by children, who lack only wisdom from experience that guides choices.


Children can not generally understand ethics and morality except at its very rudiments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_development
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development

I dont want to argue, I understand the gist of your comment.
Just saying that children infact have a completely different, infantile, way of comprehending morality.
Marsha Mallow
#496 - 2014-03-15 23:36:08 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
D. I., you need to stop answering trolls They´re wired differently. Their moral pragmatism (which is a form of mild autism) is a consequence of their absence of empathy, which makes them see everything as a low-level conflictual situation in which one has to have the upper hand, since no universal truths are agreed upon.

And just as gankers/scammers etc use complex meta and corrupt communication to generate Schadenfreude, your textual exchanges with them are disharmonious and rife with dishonesty, basic sophistry, and false emotional appeals on their part. It´s absolutely pointless.

I love how you label PVPers in a PVP game as reprehensible sociopath lunatic trolls and then claim a position of moral and intellectual superiority. And name calling, I mean really? Fair enough some of us do squeal "yarrr" and "pew pew pew" when we are playing (which is a bit odd) but at least we don't burst into tears when someone violences our boats. I quite like it when people shoot mine, saves the trip home.

Mandarine is one of the reasons some people slide into nastiness ingame. All we are doing is playing (properly), and we get all this abuse, ranting, name-calling etc. What do people expect when they rage like babies? I suppose we should all ask politely "Do you mind if I shoot your spaceship" then apologise afterwards, eh.

Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives wrote:
When your actions cause mental anguish for a large amount of players, you should feel ashamed to defend such actions by claiming it is their fault for feeling the mental anguish. Such person should feel even more ashamed that they commit these actions for no reasonable gain other than personal enjoyment. The vast, vast, vast majority of us control our behavior as a means of being respectful and non-offensive to the community around us. People who cannot control themselves in that manner have behavioral issues and are perhaps sociopaths.

I have no interest in arguing further with anyone who cannot see that, to me that person is self-inducing a delusion so he doesn't have to feel about himself.

Stop feeling mental anguish over space pixels then. It's not disrespectful or offensive to shoot stuff - it is to abuse everyone around you for doing it. I would love to see any of you people who use the term "sociopath" try this crap in an FPS.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#497 - 2014-03-15 23:40:16 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
D. I., you need to stop answering trolls They´re wired differently. Their moral pragmatism (which is a form of mild autism) is a consequence of their absence of empathy, which makes them see everything as a low-level conflictual situation in which one has to have the upper hand, since no universal truths are agreed upon.

And just as gankers/scammers etc use complex meta and corrupt communication to generate Schadenfreude, your textual exchanges with them are disharmonious and rife with dishonesty, basic sophistry, and false emotional appeals on their part. It´s absolutely pointless.


Given the content in the evemail you sent me the other day, you don't get to talk about anyone behaving with sophistry or a lack of empathy.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#498 - 2014-03-15 23:44:27 UTC
I think if there was a single thing I could say to this thread it would be this.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#499 - 2014-03-15 23:49:52 UTC
Can a mod please clean this thread out. This is not Something Aweful forums - one of the comments in this thread suggests cutting off a womans genitals and feeding them to a dog ffs....

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#500 - 2014-03-15 23:55:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Ethics and morality can generally be understood by children, who lack only wisdom from experience that guides choices.


Children can not generally understand ethics and morality except at its very rudiments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_development
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development

I dont want to argue, I understand the gist of your comment.
Just saying that children infact have a completely different, infantile, way of comprehending morality.


lol wikipedia
get out


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.