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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#321 - 2014-03-15 15:14:12 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:
And what happened? What happened that day? Gaming press ate it up. Holy crap I remember Eurogamer, IGN, everyone talking about Alexander "The Mittani" Gianturco goading an audience of Eve players into harassing a suicidal man to hopefully see him go over the edge.


What amazes me is:

1. He wasn't permabaned.
2. He isn't in jail for terrorist threats.
3. People still follow him, how pathetic are they?



People that fill their KB's with hisec ganks and call it pvp, or wardec noobies trying to start a corp are losers also.

First thing I look at on a KM is location. Easily shows the losers in the game.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#322 - 2014-03-15 15:15:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:


Very true, and when we were new players, EVE was a very different place.


It was a lot more harsh for a new player back then.


Oh, here's one now.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#323 - 2014-03-15 15:17:36 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
What amazes me is:

1. He wasn't permabaned.
2. He isn't in jail for terrorist threats.
3. People still follow him, how pathetic are they?
Why does it amaze you?
What he did was not a permaban offence, he's did not make any terrorist threats, and he's from a pre-existing community.
Salvos Rhoska
#324 - 2014-03-15 15:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
@Goe Rilla:

You (by your own demonstration) don't know the meanings of the words you are using.

Your (again by your own demonstration) understanding of what rights you have, which are exactly the same rights as I have, is completely false.

You are not sufficiently educated or informed enough to discuss these matters.

There can be no discussion or relevant communication on an issue when you DONT KNOW WHAT THE WORDS MEAN.

You are like a child trying to discuss adult issues.
Its pathetic to observe. Laughable, frankly.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#325 - 2014-03-15 15:22:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Your understanding of what rights you have, which are exactly the same rights as I have, is completely false.


False ?

Feel free to show me how so in my latter sentences, because so far I don't see it.

PS: You may refrain from superior-looking manner of speech, or you lose all credibility, haven't they taught you that at relativist law school ? ;)

PS on your edit: FYI I may not know all the words tied in to the actions, but I do know the actions, and they have been copiously demonstrated by the OP.
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#326 - 2014-03-15 15:27:51 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
And what happened? What happened that day? Gaming press ate it up. Holy crap I remember Eurogamer, IGN, everyone talking about Alexander "The Mittani" Gianturco goading an audience of Eve players into harassing a suicidal man to hopefully see him go over the edge.


What amazes me is:

1. He wasn't permabaned.
2. He isn't in jail for terrorist threats.
3. People still follow him, how pathetic are they?



People that fill their KB's with hisec ganks and call it pvp, or wardec noobies trying to start a corp are losers also.

First thing I look at on a KM is location. Easily shows the losers in the game.


Shocked Terrorist Threats! Call the Cyber Police!

Right?
Salvos Rhoska
#327 - 2014-03-15 15:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Goe Rilla wrote:
False ?

Feel free to show me how so in my latter sentences, because so far I don't see it.

PS: You may refrain from superior-looking manner of speech, or you lose all credibility, haven't they taught you that at relativist law school ? ;)


I already showed that you did not understand the nature of slander, and that you think rights exist, which do infact not.
I was taught in law school (and in every school for that matter) that I should know the meanings of the words I use.
Infact that is what schools are all about, to learn the meanings of the words we use.
Wherent you? There is nothing "superior" about the words or their meanings.


Now, to illustrate my point:

Give us one specific and real example of how your rights have been violated in EVE

This is not a rhetorical question.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#328 - 2014-03-15 15:30:08 UTC
Abon wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
And what happened? What happened that day? Gaming press ate it up. Holy crap I remember Eurogamer, IGN, everyone talking about Alexander "The Mittani" Gianturco goading an audience of Eve players into harassing a suicidal man to hopefully see him go over the edge.


What amazes me is:

1. He wasn't permabaned.
2. He isn't in jail for terrorist threats.
3. People still follow him, how pathetic are they?



People that fill their KB's with hisec ganks and call it pvp, or wardec noobies trying to start a corp are losers also.

First thing I look at on a KM is location. Easily shows the losers in the game.


Shocked Terrorist Threats! Call the Cyber Police!

Right?


Cyber Police? We're well into Thought Police territory in this thread by now. Hell, we basically were on the first page.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#329 - 2014-03-15 15:34:21 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:
We had a CSM chairman literally stand on-stage and tell people to harass an ISBoxing ice miner, who had voiced concerns about suicidal thoughts in a message to him, with the hopes that the guy would actually hurt himself. (Cont'd)
I was about to mention exactly this. If this is what we have commanding a good portion of the populace, what do you expect?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Salvos Rhoska
#330 - 2014-03-15 15:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Moonlit Raid wrote:
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Consider the following hypothetical scenario:

What if I was to say to you, that transfer everything you have ingame to my character, or I will commit suicide.

What would be your hypothetical response?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#331 - 2014-03-15 15:40:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
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Consider the following hypothetical scenario:

What if I was to say to you, that transfer everything you have ingame to my character, or I will commit suicide.

What would be your hypothetical reesponse?


I'd say find yourself some help you're in a bad place.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Salvos Rhoska
#332 - 2014-03-15 15:42:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I'd say find yourself some help you're in a bad place.


And that is more valid a response than what was given by The Mittani because what exactly?

You did not comply to the demand, and potentially I committed suicide as a result of that.

By your logic and premise, you would be responsible for that, because you did not do what was necessary to prevent me from suicide, which was transfer your assets to my character, or I would commit suicide.

By not transfering your assets, according to your own premise, you did not do what was necessary to prevent my suicide, which would have been transferring your assets.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#333 - 2014-03-15 15:46:16 UTC
Hisec KM, pvp (or so they call it) for the pathetic.
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#334 - 2014-03-15 15:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
False ?

Feel free to show me how so in my latter sentences, because so far I don't see it.

PS: You may refrain from superior-looking manner of speech, or you lose all credibility, haven't they taught you that at relativist law school ? ;)


I already showed that you did not understand the nature of slander, and that you think rights exist, which do infact not.
I was taught in law school (and in every school for that matter) that I should know the meanings of the words I use.
Wherent you? There is nothing "superior" about the words or their meanings.

Now, to illustrate my point:

Give me one specific and real example of how your rights have been violated in EVE

This is not a rhetorical question.


No but there is something superior and deeply insecure about the individual that uses them, or chooses to scold those down that may not use them as well as he's expecting them to..

Anyway,

You wanted an example, and i wont give you one of my personal experience because I prefer to take my own precautions with this, especially here, and it is my right to want this for myself, wouldn't you say ?

So instead we'll take "The Mittani" one. That guy chose to be an absolute and "nonsensitive" a-hole to the other guy, and to go further with it in wide-open public.

Now I ask myself, what could the latter guy have done to deserve such a humiliating treatment ?

Ah yes, a suicide note...

And what could the former guy have done to think on the implications of his humiliating treatment ?

Just that, to think, and to empathize before the act, instead of serving us with a general round of a-holic, unwarranted and humiliating apathy.

You CAN evaluate and adapt your own rights according to others existing around you, and in fact, that's basis for all the things done with one another, be it something as simple as meeting the crowd walking down the street...

So your case to prove that rights remain on their own and tied up to the individual's choice alone, couldn't be further from how overall reality works.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#335 - 2014-03-15 16:00:40 UTC
As i have said it some time ago, if you want to win this game, you have to stop playing. You will not lose any ISK, you will not lose your honor, your freedom, your time and your nerves, you will earn a peace of mind laying on the bed and thinking about your lovely wife or a cake you had earlier.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#336 - 2014-03-15 16:02:52 UTC
The Mittani is not a bad guy. But it is pretty sickening that there are certain people who want to bring up that event over and over. Give some thought to how keeping that issue alive affects the other person made famous by it. Let it go.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Salvos Rhoska
#337 - 2014-03-15 16:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Words have meanings. If you don't know those meanings, you should not use the words.
That has nothing to do with being superior. Its just the facts of life.
You can point at a banana and call it an apple all you want, that does not make it an apple.

Goe Rilla wrote:
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The Mittani did not violate anyone's rights.
Nor has he been legally prosecuted on any charge for violating anyones rights as related to that incident.
You may find his actions reprehensible according to your own moral beliefs, but those are subjective, and amount only to your own opinion. They are not binding on, nor supercede, the opinions of anyone else, including The Mittani or the suicider.

Let me restate that so it is completely clear.
He did not violate anyone's rights.

So this example was not an example of someones rights being violated.

Now, I repeat the question:

Give me one specific and real example of how your rights have been violated in EVE

Feel free to use alternate names to protect the identity of the involved individuals.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#338 - 2014-03-15 16:05:21 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
You're agreeing with me?...not sure how Im supposed to feel...ok hold on ill fix this.

CCP BAN GANKER THEY OP TOO STRONK PLS NERF OR BAN K THX

We'll see what the tally is after the fight, won't we?
Of course, now you have an incentive to throw the match to prove a point. Twisted

WHAT BET I DIDN'T MAKE A BET AND THROW THE MATCH YOU GOT NOTHIN ON ME TIPPIA.

But yeah he won't show up. They never do :(


I would point out that, when I offered to fight you one on one, you explicitly refused.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Anslo
Scope Works
#339 - 2014-03-15 16:06:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
You're agreeing with me?...not sure how Im supposed to feel...ok hold on ill fix this.

CCP BAN GANKER THEY OP TOO STRONK PLS NERF OR BAN K THX

We'll see what the tally is after the fight, won't we?
Of course, now you have an incentive to throw the match to prove a point. Twisted

WHAT BET I DIDN'T MAKE A BET AND THROW THE MATCH YOU GOT NOTHIN ON ME TIPPIA.

But yeah he won't show up. They never do :(


I would point out that, when I offered to fight you one on one, you explicitly refused.

And when I offered a fleet fight, cause a lot of bears want a piece of you, you changed topics because you are not capable.

Step up, senpai. This isn't e honor crap.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#340 - 2014-03-15 16:09:05 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
You're agreeing with me?...not sure how Im supposed to feel...ok hold on ill fix this.

CCP BAN GANKER THEY OP TOO STRONK PLS NERF OR BAN K THX

We'll see what the tally is after the fight, won't we?
Of course, now you have an incentive to throw the match to prove a point. Twisted

WHAT BET I DIDN'T MAKE A BET AND THROW THE MATCH YOU GOT NOTHIN ON ME TIPPIA.

But yeah he won't show up. They never do :(


I would point out that, when I offered to fight you one on one, you explicitly refused.

And when I offered a fleet fight, cause a lot of bears want a piece of you, you changed topics because you are not capable.

Step up, senpai. This isn't e honor crap.


Like I said, step out behind the coat tails of so many others.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.