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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#281 - 2014-03-15 11:20:42 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Bullshit, 'IRL' you shoot the ************ trying to shoot you.... you can't do that in a mining/merchant ship in eve.... which is ******* stupid


IRL if you are going to shoot the guy shooting at you, you need a gun.

No different in EvE. The choices you make determine the options you have available. If you don't have a gun, you can't shoot. So either fit some to your ship and make lower ISK/hr, or get friends with guns.


And IRL, we can all carry guns... at least in the United States... you cannot carry a gun on a miner barge or merchant ship in EVE... which is bullshit


I had a full page dedicated to my combat iteron V in EON magazines >50 mil isk combat ship challange.
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#282 - 2014-03-15 11:31:24 UTC
It's not bogus; it's player driven content.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#283 - 2014-03-15 11:33:21 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Not interested in conversing with trolls sorry...


I too would like to know why you think an average of 30 freighter ganks a month is in need of being nerfed given that at least half a million trips are made by them every month.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#284 - 2014-03-15 11:40:10 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
and if killing frigs was a catalyst's intended role, it doesn't follow that it was the only intended role or that ganking is an unintended role

also, even if ganking were an unintended role, it does not mean ganking is an undesirable role
Iam The Empress
Doomheim
#285 - 2014-03-15 11:48:27 UTC
The game is a cess pit of horrible people and i agre with you. The corp i run is based on real life first and anyone who is not a decent person is ejected within 24 hours of joining.

The best thing to do is fine a corp like ours and just stick with them.

Also streaming is never a good idea mate. It truly isnt.

The internet brings out the worst in people and tbh

I have nothing but contempt for around 80% of the eve community.

They are disgusting excuses for humans who take delight in insulting others for the sake of it, and 90% of them are on this game 24/7 and have no lives. It is a sad state of affairs, but a true one.

I will be +1 your post because you are right. We have recruited people from other games straight into our corporation and they have expressed a disgust at the eve forums and reddit.

I 100% agree with you.

It needs to change but as most of the devs and gms are ex null players, they have the same attitudes.

Empress
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#286 - 2014-03-15 11:53:16 UTC
Iam The Empress wrote:
The game is a cess pit of horrible people and i agre with you. The corp i run is based on real life first and anyone who is not a decent person is ejected within 24 hours of joining.

The best thing to do is fine a corp like ours and just stick with them.

Also streaming is never a good idea mate. It truly isnt.

The internet brings out the worst in people and tbh

I have nothing but contempt for around 80% of the eve community.

They are disgusting excuses for humans who take delight in insulting others for the sake of it, and 90% of them are on this game 24/7 and have no lives. It is a sad state of affairs, but a true one.

I will be +1 your post because you are right. We have recruited people from other games straight into our corporation and they have expressed a disgust at the eve forums and reddit.

I 100% agree with you.

It needs to change but as most of the devs and gms are ex null players, they have the same attitudes.

Empress


You come to a PvP focused game and get angry when people PvP you...
Salvos Rhoska
#287 - 2014-03-15 11:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
@ Iam The Empress: The irony being that you don't realise what a hateful, intolerant, misanthropic, judgmental and bad person you prove yourself to be with the attitudes you express in your post.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#288 - 2014-03-15 11:57:22 UTC
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE.

What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up?


it do not matter anymore.


You lost a Gnosis in a 0.5 system which was setup for mining with 5x t2 deep core miners, a mining forman link, cargo expanders and no tank aside from a single EM ward amplifier 1.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#289 - 2014-03-15 11:59:37 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
@ Iam The Empress: The irony being that you don't realise what a hateful, intolerant, judgmental and bad person you prove yourself to be with the attitudes you express in your post.

It's kind of funny how often it plays out that way — the ones crying the loudest about the supposed horribleness and “sociopathy” and disgusting nature of EVE community end up showing that they, more than the people they complain about, fit the criteria. Straight
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#290 - 2014-03-15 11:59:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE.

What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up?


it do not matter anymore.


You lost a Gnosis in a 0.5 system which was setup for mining with 5x t2 deep core miners, a mining forman link, cargo expanders and no tank aside from a single EM ward amplifier 1.

That's an abomination of a ship, it deserved to be aborted, in fact it should never have been conceived.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kyperion
#291 - 2014-03-15 12:03:25 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE.

What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up?


it do not matter anymore.


You lost a Gnosis in a 0.5 system which was setup for mining with 5x t2 deep core miners, a mining forman link, cargo expanders and no tank aside from a single EM ward amplifier 1.

That's an abomination of a ship, it deserved to be aborted, in fact it should never have been conceived.



That fit, that ship, in a 0.5 system is probably not going to last long....
Helia Tranquilis
Confused Bunnies Inc
#292 - 2014-03-15 12:21:56 UTC
Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#293 - 2014-03-15 12:23:12 UTC
Helia Tranquilis wrote:
Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles?


We were once new players too.
Helia Tranquilis
Confused Bunnies Inc
#294 - 2014-03-15 12:27:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Helia Tranquilis wrote:
Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles?


We were once new players too.
Yet such a time was several years ago, likely in a very different environment.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#295 - 2014-03-15 12:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Helia Tranquilis wrote:

Yet such a time was several years ago, likely in a very different environment.


It was more dangerous back then.
Salvos Rhoska
#296 - 2014-03-15 12:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
baltec1 wrote:
Helia Tranquilis wrote:
Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles?


We were once new players too.


I am still a new player, and agree with the Vets on this.

As someone pointed out earlier, some people come into EVE with the wrong expectations.

They don't understand that what is actively against the games rules in other MMOs, is not against the rules in EVE.
It takes some adjustment, especially if that player has never played a game with a ruleset like EVE before (like UO or Darkfall for example).

It takes some personal adjustment to be able to cope with other people taking or blowing up your stuff, which is something they have never experienced before., without taking it personally, as you would offline, where it is contextually "wrong" and sanctioned against, or in other games where it is impossible due to the more restrictive and limiting rule sets.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#297 - 2014-03-15 12:33:29 UTC
Helia Tranquilis wrote:
Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles?

first time i was podded i was in convo with a pirate
i said 'oh no i was shot by a guy called yarpen'
guy said 'oh yarpen's online? cool i wanted to join his corp, thanks for telling me'
i was chuffed 'cos i'd apparently been podded by some kind of pirate king

i knew about eve's scamming, ganking and skulduggery before i joined. it's why i joined, even though i engage in none of these activities
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#298 - 2014-03-15 12:36:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Helia Tranquilis wrote:
Yet such a time was several years ago, likely in a very different environment.

It was more dangerous back then.

And there was far less guidance.

It's not so much that anyone expects new players to have similar views of EVE as the older players, but that we expect them to at least take into consideration the fact that we've been there too, been through the same things they have, and figured out all kinds of neat ways to survive and even prosper. That when we say they can do something, there is actually a sliver of a chance that they can and that we're telling them this out of experience.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#299 - 2014-03-15 12:46:13 UTC
There are generally good ppl in game but what you OP is trying to change is generation after generation of spineless scrubs that found their game if CCP don't curb that behavior via game mechanic things are here to stay so just roll with right kinda ppl.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#300 - 2014-03-15 13:03:43 UTC
Helia Tranquilis wrote:
Majority of the replies on this thread only imply that it is impossible for the hardened bitter-vet crowd to understand eve from the viewpoint of a new player playing outside of blob-warfare. Can you expect a new player to have similar view of eve as a veteran watching the game through blood-stained combat goggles?


I am a new player and agree with the vets about this topic.