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Worlds Within a World - The EVE Universe Monument

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#381 - 2014-02-08 23:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Flidais Asagiri
Kirren D'marr wrote:


Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.




***EDITED BY: ISD Flidais Asagiri: in violation of Rule: #2 / 5 / 6 which can be found HERE***
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#382 - 2014-02-09 09:46:20 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
[quote=Kirren D'marr]

Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.



In St. Petersburg, Russia, there is a nose statue in honor of Gogol's character "the Nose."

The Dr. Seuss National Memorial Sculpture Garden at the Springfield (Massachusetts) Musems Complex honors Dr. Suess and several of his characters including the Cat in the Hat, Thing One and Thing Two, Yertle the turtle, the Grinch and his dog Max, Horton the Elephant, the Lorax and Thidwick the Moose.

Several statues exist depicting Alice of Alice in Wonderland - one in the center of New York's central park.

The city of Metropolis, Illinois erected a statue of Superman in 1972.

Outside the Philidelphia Museum of Art stands a statue of Rocky Balboa.

Raliegh, NC has statues of Andy and Opie Taylor. Statues of Samantha Stevens from Bewitched and The Fonz from Happy Dayz also exist.

The Hans Christian Andersen statue in Copenhagen may be honoring the author but it's certainly a statue of a mermaid, of which, by the way, there are also many others.

Which makes it kind of pointless to point out the statues of other mythical creatures that exist: unicorns, dragons, griffins, sphynx, ad absurdium...

And what about monuments erected to celebrate abstract ideas? Like the statue of liberty? Or the Gateway Arch?

Monuments exist to commemorate and celebrate whatever the people who erect them want to celebrate. Art is subjective. Even if there were no other tributes to fictional characters in existence anywhere at all, and this was the first ever, it still wouldn't invalidate this monument's purpose.

I think it's been well established that the timer led to poor expectation management for this project (but as a tool it worked marvelously) and I think that the purpose of the monument was muddled somewhat by the memorial aspect. Is it a celebratory piece or a memorial? Should people be happy when they stand before it or silent? Does it matter? Should it matter? Important questions that I hope the quote inscribed will shed some light on but before Kirren popped a blood vessel, I figured I'd chime in.

YK
Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#383 - 2014-02-09 11:21:22 UTC
YK's right. Art is subjective. If you don't like it, well... I suppose it's quite fitting of the EVE in-game community to try and tear down something they don't like instead of leaving it be for the people who do appreciate it, but taking that attitude to RL art projects is going a bit too far.
IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#384 - 2014-02-09 22:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Flidais Asagiri
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
[quote=Kirren D'marr]

Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.



***EDITED by Flidais Asagiri - in violation of Rules# 2 / 5 / 6 can be found HERE***

/slowclap ..... that sir was subtly brilliant. You get an upvote.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#385 - 2014-02-10 21:26:09 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
[quote=Kirren D'marr]

Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.



In St. Petersburg, Russia, there is a nose statue in honor of Gogol's character "the Nose."

The Dr. Seuss National Memorial Sculpture Garden at the Springfield (Massachusetts) Musems Complex honors Dr. Suess and several of his characters including the Cat in the Hat, Thing One and Thing Two, Yertle the turtle, the Grinch and his dog Max, Horton the Elephant, the Lorax and Thidwick the Moose.

Several statues exist depicting Alice of Alice in Wonderland - one in the center of New York's central park.

The city of Metropolis, Illinois erected a statue of Superman in 1972.

Outside the Philidelphia Museum of Art stands a statue of Rocky Balboa.

Raliegh, NC has statues of Andy and Opie Taylor. Statues of Samantha Stevens from Bewitched and The Fonz from Happy Dayz also exist.

The Hans Christian Andersen statue in Copenhagen may be honoring the author but it's certainly a statue of a mermaid, of which, by the way, there are also many others.

Which makes it kind of pointless to point out the statues of other mythical creatures that exist: unicorns, dragons, griffins, sphynx, ad absurdium...

And what about monuments erected to celebrate abstract ideas? Like the statue of liberty? Or the Gateway Arch?

Monuments exist to commemorate and celebrate whatever the people who erect them want to celebrate. Art is subjective. Even if there were no other tributes to fictional characters in existence anywhere at all, and this was the first ever, it still wouldn't invalidate this monument's purpose.

I think it's been well established that the timer led to poor expectation management for this project (but as a tool it worked marvelously) and I think that the purpose of the monument was muddled somewhat by the memorial aspect. Is it a celebratory piece or a memorial? Should people be happy when they stand before it or silent? Does it matter? Should it matter? Important questions that I hope the quote inscribed will shed some light on but before Kirren popped a blood vessel, I figured I'd chime in.

YK
(underline added for emphasis)


Reading comprehension: you should try it. I did not say statues; I specifically referred to monuments engraved with lists of names recognizing fictional individuals. Most of the items you listed were put up as tributes to the creators of such characters (which I alluded to in my orignal post), not a tribute to the memories of deeds done by those characters themselves.

The "list of names" approach to monuments is generally reserved for contribution or participation of many individuals to a particular event or accomplishment. This can be as mundane as those who helped plan or create a public building or park, or as dramatic as monuments to the soldiers lost in the most well-known battles and wars in history. What they have in common though is that they are all about the actions of real people.

We are not our avatars; the avatars are not real, they have never accomplished anything otuside of an imaginary world. Recognizing them as if they actually existed remains a ridiculous idea.

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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#386 - 2014-02-10 22:07:59 UTC
My reading comprehension is excellent. I simply disagree with you. (I hope that 's OK because judging from your rants and investment in this topic you seem to have a problem with dissention of any kind.) And you are mistaken, the statues of Alice, Superman, Rocky, etc honor those characters - not their creators. There may have not been a tribute to this many characters at once before, but so what? Your argument that tributes to characters do not exist is invalid. And since snark seems to be your forte, here you go:

Yonis Kador wrote:

Monuments exist to commemorate and celebrate whatever the people who erect them want to celebrate. Art is subjective. Even if there were no other tributes to fictional characters in existence anywhere at all, and this was the first ever, it still wouldn't invalidate this monument's purpose.


(underlined for added emphasis)

YK
ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#387 - 2014-02-10 23:25:37 UTC
Greetings Everyone

This is one of those topics that is awesome and invokes a lot of emotions. It is almost impossible to remain unfeeling about these kinds of threads. Lets keep it on topic and away from personal or offensive remarks.

On On

ISD Flidais Asagiri Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
SIrera Artrald
Titans Rising
#388 - 2014-02-11 04:08:38 UTC
Where did people get the idea that because something hasn't happened before that it can't or shouldn't happen?!

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Frying Doom
#389 - 2014-02-11 14:03:17 UTC
Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.

Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#390 - 2014-02-12 11:52:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Inari Visas
I think its a great tribute to the players that helped make EVE into what it is today. And like everything that is art, this is all about statement. Saying this doesn't matter or is stupid doesn't make it so. I hate (with passion) neo-modern art (or whatever it's called nowadays), but I recognize that it means something to someone.

We live in a world where, as humans, we developed tastes to something other THE REAL or THE USEFUL. That is something that is part of us. When we finally understand something, we don't stop there. We continue to look for more. Sometimes it will give birth to useful and physical items, and sometime it will give birth to pieces of imagination. Sometimes it will mix the two,

There is no such thing as useless when it comes to saying THANK YOU. You can be cynical about it and say it doesn't matter, but than you'll just be a douche. If someone says thank you, you say you're welcome.

This is CCPs way of saying thank you and you're welcome at the same time. Why would someone belittle this?
ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#391 - 2014-02-12 20:30:50 UTC
So we have been to the edge of space and a monument gets put up for us, that's something we can brag about. CoolCool

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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#392 - 2014-02-13 10:18:16 UTC
I hope this Exclusive monument will not Exclude other players that died in the meantime and have nobody anymore to remember their voice from the new eden chorus Shocked

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Merkar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#393 - 2014-02-13 21:12:39 UTC
I think the idea is cool, although the sketch of design of the monument itself seems kind of weak to me. Looking at that, there's really absolutely nothing in the design which would make me think of Eve.

I'm all for artistic expression and whatnot. But i think there should be some elements of eve in the monument itself. Just my 2 cents/opinion.
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#394 - 2014-02-13 21:15:20 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.

Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument.


Better idea.

Donate the money and hire somebody to get Seans killers

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#395 - 2014-02-14 00:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6639
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
FluffyDice wrote:
How will you be defining a persons main character and will you be using the name of one per account or selecting a main from multiple?
The highest skilled character on each account.
CCP Falcon wrote:
On Saturday, 1 March 2014, the die for this snapshot of New Eden will be taken and over half a million names will be frozen in time, with the highest skilled character from every active EVE Online account on this day joined together as part of Worlds Within a World.
Quote taken from this text.

On topic: Magnificent! One day I will visit Iceland to see this solid proof that EvE will stand the test of time. If not in the virtual world, it will in the real one for centuries to come. As a testimony to the best game ever made!

very happy about names being engraved on it. another reason to travel to Iceland, which makes a strong case in addition to fanfest and the land itself
Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#396 - 2014-02-14 12:33:19 UTC
Interesting PLEX sink for those who want to get creative with names.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#397 - 2014-02-14 21:04:54 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.

Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument.


Better idea.

Donate the money and hire somebody to get Seans killers



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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#398 - 2014-02-15 01:10:15 UTC
Can we have a searchable web page with a grid reference to show us where our names are on the monument.

Not everyone can get to Iceland.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#399 - 2014-02-15 01:56:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
for that reason but also... will the names be at eye level and lower?

I really do see myself taking my grandmother to see Iceland now




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Dunmer Orion
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#400 - 2014-02-15 22:58:40 UTC
This is awesome! I'm looking forward to seeing it in person at Fan Fest :).

-DO