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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#361 - 2014-02-07 23:34:47 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.



Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.

It was an ugly dialogue.

Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.


Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison.

You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented.

The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two.



Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#362 - 2014-02-08 00:01:14 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.



Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.

It was an ugly dialogue.

Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.


Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison.

You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented.

The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two.



Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting.


Irrelevant?!? Are you serious? Are you honestly saying that you can't see the difference between nearly 60,000 dead soldiers and a bunch of people playing a computer game for entertainment? Do you even have the faintest concept of the difference between "make-believe" and "real life"?

Everyone who has ever worn the uniform of whatever country they claim allegiance to should feel insulted by you. Everyone who has ever had to bury a family member who died in service to their country should feel as though you just spit on their loved one's grave.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#363 - 2014-02-08 00:43:53 UTC
CCP, this piece of Art should not be called or described as a monument.

Call it "A statue dedicated to those who helped the Icelandic economy in the early 21st Centuary" or "Trollololololo".

Call it anything. Just not as a monument.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#364 - 2014-02-08 00:50:25 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.



Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.

It was an ugly dialogue.

Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.


Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison.

You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented.

The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two.



Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting.


Irrelevant?!? Are you serious? Are you honestly saying that you can't see the difference between nearly 60,000 dead soldiers and a bunch of people playing a computer game for entertainment? Do you even have the faintest concept of the difference between "make-believe" and "real life"?

Everyone who has ever worn the uniform of whatever country they claim allegiance to should feel insulted by you. Everyone who has ever had to bury a family member who died in service to their country should feel as though you just spit on their loved one's grave.



nobody is spitting on anyone's graves or disrespecting uniforms, you need to get some perspective and reign in the hysteria.

It's a monument to human achievement and there should be more such monuments. To live, even in a virtual world is a life affirming thing to do and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#365 - 2014-02-08 01:21:57 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
nobody is spitting on anyone's graves or disrespecting uniforms, you need to get some perspective and reign in the hysteria.

It's a monument to human achievement and there should be more such monuments. To live, even in a virtual world is a life affirming thing to do and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.



Perspective is exactly what I'm talking about. People equating playing a game in a virtual world to fighting a war in the real world are in dire need of such perspective. They may both be "human achievements," but they are nowhere near the same level. Putting them on that level is demeaning and insulting.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Aneta Rollard
Credendo Vides
Khimi Harar
#366 - 2014-02-08 01:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Aneta Rollard
After reading couple pages of that forum and many responces here. I must say I am ashamed by the post I see here. Im ashamed to be part of same community with people who are actualy able to ***** about such a great gift and all they ***** about is not worth count down and all that other crap. For **** sake people wake up! How many of you could ever ever dream of that your "name" (or your in game acronym) will be puted in to stone on monumet in capital city?! Where dozens thousands of peple every year will see that name?! How many of you could even dare to imagine pointing on monument and saying here this, this right here its ME?!

When I 1st read about this I was proud! I was proud to be part of something so grate that it will out live the game pixels. When I arive this year to fanfest I will take picture of my self and of my in-game name on it and I will have it proudly hang in my apartment and I do not care that you may say its just a game as Jesters said its about people and about bridging two worlds. Thats why I dont take just set for me. I will be already taking set of pictures for another people who can not make it there and they are proud of this achievment same way I am. They asked me and I wil gladly spend that time and I will do my best to bring them best pictures Im capable of. Nothing said here is going to change it since for me and for my friends monument did what it supose to do it bridged virtual world and reality in way we will never forget.

So my last words are be ashamed, and re-think, becose you not just spiting on work of people who designed it. But also on everything YOU did in EvE.
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#367 - 2014-02-08 01:33:20 UTC
A giant, golden penis with spikey bits. Now that is an Eve Online Monument.

Err, just for rumor control purposes, you're not planning on shutting down Tranquility shortly thereafter, right? You know, for Eve 2.0 because all the spaghetti code and broken things with the current version no one wants to touch and can't fix anyway? This isn't going to happen.

Right?

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven.
Cigolon
Koopa Troopas
#368 - 2014-02-08 01:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cigolon
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.



Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.

It was an ugly dialogue.

Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.


Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison.

You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented.

The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two.



Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting.


Seriously Bro are you the damn architect?
Or maybe a CCP sockpuppet?
Whats the point of you white knighting this for 17 pages? Why do YOU need to defend CCP? I'm just curious on why you feel so strongly on why this is a good thing rather than a mild tap in the balls.
Cigolon
Koopa Troopas
#369 - 2014-02-08 01:58:16 UTC
Aneta Rollard wrote:
After reading couple pages of that forum and many responces here. I must say I am ashamed by the post I see here. Im ashamed to be part of same community with people who are actualy able to ***** about such a great gift and all they ***** about is not worth count down and all that other crap. For **** sake people wake up! How many of you could ever ever dream of that your "name" (or your in game acronym) will be puted in to stone on monumet in capital city?! Where dozens thousands of peple every year will see that name?! How many of you could even dare to imagine pointing on monument and saying here this, this right here its ME?!

When I 1st read about this I was proud! I was proud to be part of something so grate that it will out live the game pixels. When I arive this year to fanfest I will take picture of my self and of my in-game name on it and I will have it proudly hang in my apartment and I do not care that you may say its just a game as Jesters said its about people and about bridging two worlds. Thats why I dont take just set for me. I will be already taking set of pictures for another people who can not make it there and they are proud of this achievment same way I am. They asked me and I wil gladly spend that time and I will do my best to bring them best pictures Im capable of. Nothing said here is going to change it since for me and for my friends monument did what it supose to do it bridged virtual world and reality in way we will never forget.

So my last words are be ashamed, and re-think, becose you not just spiting on work of people who designed it. But also on everything YOU did in EvE.


I'm ashamed money I once held went to paying for it.
Does that count?
Flamespar
WarRavens
#370 - 2014-02-08 02:03:21 UTC
It would be cool if there was a station where we could view a virtual version of the statue with our avatar.
IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#371 - 2014-02-08 03:58:45 UTC
This..... is really a bad representation of EVE. The plaque containing everyone's name is the foundation of a great monument for EVE, but everything after that goes wrong. This simply looks like Hilmar got approached by some random ****** Icelandic artist who had a hardon for mediocre abstract art and got him to agree to "fund" a monument created by him because he hillmar a BJ or something. Hell if I know but this does NOT represent EVE well except for maybe the monocle by proxy.

To be a good monument of EVE, it needs to have something that represents EVE. Make a model of a rifter, make a beautiful model of the EVE logo. Make a model of a stargate.... yes a stargate would have been a GREAT choice. Actually ya, they should have gone with a stargate since it's a physical appearance unique to EVE and it would have served as a metaphorical "gate" to a time past which is the WHOLE POINT OF A MONUMENT.

/ragebecauseofCCPBSover
Taranogas 3rd
Doomheim
#372 - 2014-02-08 04:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Taranogas 3rd
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Because you asked; if you don't like the answer, maybe it's a bit too close to the truth for you?


emm, no you started complaining before I asked my question, but i'm glad you assumed this, you know what they say..
and seriously you didn't even see that as a rhetorical question just to simply highlight your ignorance? (or are you gonna answer to this one as well)

Also I love that everything you say has to do with demoralization this shows that this thing means more to you that you would rather kick and scream over it, didn't quote the part where you should unsub so you won't get written on the monument? but nice to see the general ignorance hasn't faded because you are just complaining for the sake of it

And to your ignorant argument, you're in a game on online forums, please tell me what do you think the majority of people who spend their time here are? please call them nerds again lmao P

Aneta Rollard wrote:
After reading couple pages of that forum and many responces here. I must say I am ashamed by the post I see here. Im ashamed to be part of same community with people who are actualy able to ***** about such a great gift and all they ***** about is not worth count down and all that other crap. For **** sake people wake up! How many of you could ever ever dream of that your "name" (or your in game acronym) will be puted in to stone on monumet in capital city?! Where dozens thousands of peple every year will see that name?! How many of you could even dare to imagine pointing on monument and saying here this, this right here its ME?!

When I 1st read about this I was proud! I was proud to be part of something so grate that it will out live the game pixels. When I arive this year to fanfest I will take picture of my self and of my in-game name on it and I will have it proudly hang in my apartment and I do not care that you may say its just a game as Jesters said its about people and about bridging two worlds. Thats why I dont take just set for me. I will be already taking set of pictures for another people who can not make it there and they are proud of this achievment same way I am. They asked me and I wil gladly spend that time and I will do my best to bring them best pictures Im capable of. Nothing said here is going to change it since for me and for my friends monument did what it supose to do it bridged virtual world and reality in way we will never forget.

So my last words are be ashamed, and re-think, becose you not just spiting on work of people who designed it. But also on everything YOU did in EvE.


Mate the people here complaining are just doing it for the sake of complaining, they are a bitter bunch (like the guy relating no-lifes to someone who is glad of the success of a game...), to verify this notice that not even one of them will unsub over this "travesty" as an objection of it, they will just complain and have the name written on it and continue complaining.

But don't worry i'm sure after this some will claim they unsubbed.

3 idiotic claims as I see here;

1. this thing cost too much money (possible in the millions as some quoted) that could be used for resources, obviously these people have never been out as a ******* statue doesn't cost that much and would have provided barely anything for game resources.
2. it somehow devalues that of another real life monument written for veterans? err what..
3. everyone who agrees with this is somehow a basement dweller who has no life
Peyatoho
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#373 - 2014-02-08 05:06:55 UTC
I just feel bad for all the CCP employees that got laid off recently.

"Hey guys, look at this giant waste of money that we could have used to support and share with the great people that helped us build this wonderful game!" ... "naaah... let's build a giant rock and not even thank them or put THEIR names on it."

This whole idea is corporate hubris to the max. I would be ashamed if I worked for CCP.
Sara Seraph
Sara Inc
#374 - 2014-02-08 07:02:11 UTC
Okay. while I dig through this threadnaught....

What is a "Main Character?" and can we choose which Avatar -- from multiples -- to have put on the monument?

Personally, I think the idea is fantastic, and thank you CCP.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#375 - 2014-02-08 10:17:51 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
nobody is spitting on anyone's graves or disrespecting uniforms, you need to get some perspective and reign in the hysteria.

It's a monument to human achievement and there should be more such monuments. To live, even in a virtual world is a life affirming thing to do and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.



Perspective is exactly what I'm talking about. People equating playing a game in a virtual world to fighting a war in the real world are in dire need of such perspective. They may both be "human achievements," but they are nowhere near the same level. Putting them on that level is demeaning and insulting.


Do you have a moral vantage point that is different to the rest of us? Can you see what we cannot? Of course not, so it's not demeaning or insulting to have a different point of view.

Should we change our view points simply because you feel insulated and demeaned, of course not. To do so would actually be to give in to the politics of political correctness or put simply 'I'm offended, you're not, so I win!' This is correctly recognised to be a form of emotional blackmail or bullying and is something I will not accept as a valid part of any argument. Drop the emotive language and support your points with reasoned debate otherwise you might as well just say ' because' like a five year old child who is trying to win an argument with an adult.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#376 - 2014-02-08 14:50:02 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
nobody is spitting on anyone's graves or disrespecting uniforms, you need to get some perspective and reign in the hysteria.

It's a monument to human achievement and there should be more such monuments. To live, even in a virtual world is a life affirming thing to do and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.



Perspective is exactly what I'm talking about. People equating playing a game in a virtual world to fighting a war in the real world are in dire need of such perspective. They may both be "human achievements," but they are nowhere near the same level. Putting them on that level is demeaning and insulting.



No ones trying to do that, you're the one who dragged vietnam into this when you went off on one because someone mentioned the minimalist design for the war memorial being a possible inspiration for the design of this one.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#377 - 2014-02-08 14:56:37 UTC
Cigolon wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.



Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.

It was an ugly dialogue.

Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.


Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison.

You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented.

The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two.



Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting.


Seriously Bro are you the damn architect?
Or maybe a CCP sockpuppet?
Whats the point of you white knighting this for 17 pages? Why do YOU need to defend CCP? I'm just curious on why you feel so strongly on why this is a good thing rather than a mild tap in the balls.


Because so far all the arguements against it have been spiteful, mean spirited or just plain stupid. Because I think pessimism and cynicism are ******* stupid ways to look at the world, especially when it decides to give you a gift for nothing. But mainly, because I can and I feel that I should.

Whats your explanation?

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
zyalino
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#378 - 2014-02-08 17:31:55 UTC
looking at history, the redirection of resources on monumental stuff often has been a sign of nearing collapse.
it's not about the monument itself, but the corresponding decadency.


i can understand that ccp wants to display economic prosperity - but honestly must say, while eve is cool, this "structure" isn't.

whatever
Amahole
Interplanetary Trade Federation
#379 - 2014-02-08 20:26:44 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
With the announcement of Worlds Within a World, we would like to have a place where the monument and the project can be discussed by the community.

Please use this thread for comments, feedback and discussion in the run up the unveiling at Fanfest 2014.



+1ccp

well done on a real world connection to eve.

how much isk did it cost?
Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#380 - 2014-02-08 21:16:45 UTC
Cigolon wrote:


I'm ashamed money I once held went to paying for it.
Does that count?


Then leave.