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Worlds Within a World - The EVE Universe Monument

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#301 - 2014-02-06 12:55:31 UTC
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
some kids will have spray painted their tags on it by the end of the first week


That monument is going to be in Iceland, not America, where they think tagging is somehow clever. No worries.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#302 - 2014-02-06 12:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
I've seen a lot of people in this thread complain about the cost of this monument. Some even estimate it to be in the millions of dollars.....
So, because I am a curious man, I looked up the cost of the building materials. I took some rough measures and approximations. Costs are including tax and front door delivery for me as a private person in west Europe mainland.

  • Massive granite block, Black, 100 x 100 x 500 cm = € 12.000,-
  • Stainless steel rectangular tube, welded shut on both ends, 500 x 100 x 20 cm (5mm thick plate) € 1100,-
  • Polishing of steel tube € 650,-
  • Aluminium tube 100 x 100 x 500 cm (2mm thick plate) = € 2000,-
  • Black matting of aluminium tube = € 1200,-
  • Concrete 10m3 including steel reinforcement and pouring (0.5 metres underground as foundation included)= € 2100,-
  • Steel plate around concrete base 7m2 = € 350,-
  • Polishing of steel plate = € 200,-

Total = € 19.600,- in building materials. Again, this is an approximate figure

Of course this is also without the cost of making an actual statue out of it and without the inscribing of our character names.

Now please stop complaining that it is too expensive and that for the same amount of money problem X or Y in EvE could have been solved. In light of the figures above, it is a bit silly.....


In my personal opinion it is a beautiful statue and a grand gesture by CCP, regardless of cost. And I thank them for that!



For real.

Folks are acting as if resources and workers are being diverted to this in massive quantities instead of "fixing the game" ??

My God, how many CCP employees do they think are going to be reappropriated to working in the foundry to smelt these things, and then do the carving and engraving ? It'll be a challenge for the Devs, most indeed.

Roll EVE - winner of PC Gamers 2014 Award for Ungrateful Self-Entitled Playerbase

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#303 - 2014-02-06 13:03:35 UTC
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Playing a video game, even one as engrossing as EVE, is hardly some sort of lifetime achievement or anything. My concern is that by celebrating it in a manner normally reserved for the big events of history we are sending the wrong message, both to the players and the outside world.

Some of the younger and/or more impressionable players may take this as some sort of signal that they have somehow done something worthwhile with their lives. A monument usually commemorates something significant or important in local, national, or world events; and a monument to gaming would indicate to some that video games are on a similar level of importance, and something to be proud of rather than just a way to fill one's free time. The people who buy into this may be few, but it can still be damaging.

The outside world will probably get the impression that we all have just such an opinion of ourselves. The message will be that EVE players are a bunch of self important geeks who have gotten so lost in their little virtual world that they have completely lost their grip on reality. How many new players do you think are going to want to jump into a game full of delusional egotists?

I've already shown the announcements about this monument to a few friends and coworkers. Their collective reaction can be summed up by the words of one of them: "That's dumb!" They were all confused, at first thinking that it must be some sort of in-game thing. When I explained that it was to be a real monument in Iceland, they were shocked at the stupidity of it, especially after I told them how the company had been laying people off just a few months ago. They think that CCP has lost its sense of priority to say the least. There was concern that a game company would neglect the health of the game itself and instead choose to invest in sucha pointless display. One of them commented, "I keep wanting to try EVE, but then something like this happens." It was also observed that CCP "must be rather full of themselves." These are people who were excited to read about the Battle of B-R5RB, but now their opinion of the company behind the game has done a 180.

So there is my anecdotal evidence, but it may be a warning sign that this monument may not generate the sort of publicity that is good for EVE.


Wow. You are a sad case. This is a gem of a treatise to show to students of social studies, showing the true outcome of a bleak, existential outlook on life.

I suggest moving somewhere that has a lot of sunshine. You'll feel a whole lot better about things.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#304 - 2014-02-06 13:08:23 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
Anticlimatic.

For a gaming development company, this is just a waste of money.

Let the Arts be funded by other organisations, and you CCP should focus on doing your job.

Edit.

CCP, this piece of Art should not be called or described as a monument.

Monuments are only for real life heros and for "The Fallen".AttentionAttentionAttention


Just how many employess and devs are going to be diverted to the smelters, foundry, and engravers to achieve this ?

Also "A monument is a type of structure that was explicitly created to commemorate a person or important event, or which has become important to a social group as a part of their remembrance of historic times or cultural heritage, or as an example of historic architecture. The term 'monument' is often applied to buildings or structures that are considered examples of important architectural and/or cultural heritage"

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#305 - 2014-02-06 13:12:03 UTC
Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:
SIrera Artrald wrote:
Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . .



land costs money... so unless they were given the land or building it at there headquarters.... They would have to buy it.... That isn't cheep..

also do u even know how much that stuff costs in large volumes + cost of building..



Land in Iceland is beyond dirt cheap. It's not good for anything, much less farming. You can't even plant a tree there. It will not grow.

And Iceland doesn't take people in as immigrants except maybe the rare amnesty case, so there is not any kind of real estate boom or anything like that.

Land for this thing is one of it's more minimal additional costs, period.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#306 - 2014-02-06 13:16:12 UTC
If this thing is considered just a monument to "CCPs own inflated ego" is this not most indeed the appropriate mode in which to honor their players with self-same inflated, and self-entitled, egos?

It's just a reflection of the reality then.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#307 - 2014-02-06 13:18:18 UTC
Please make a general memorial for those no longer with us. I really hate the idea of putting some people on the pedestal over others. Not all of us might have people that would ask us to be immortalized. So it would be grea if the memorial part would be either completely neutral general "R.I.P", but since that is probably not happening...
Wackal Jackal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2014-02-06 14:21:40 UTC
Findell Ronuken wrote:
what a giant waste of money typical ccp wasting money on things not related to eve in any way even when the game is broken


They're going to get tons of subs from people who just want to get their name on the monument, so...
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#309 - 2014-02-06 14:29:41 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


I've never ever heard of a Corporation ever doing something like this for their customers, ever. Much less a gaming company.
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Richard Garriot took my name to space. Beat that.



Who's that ???? So: not impressed.


You're a young'un aren't you. Next you'll be asking who John Carmack is.

He's the guy who made Ultima etc. As a player promo thing when he did Tabula Rasa he took all the players names into space. Tabula Rasa was shite but he still did that which was pretty cool.
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#310 - 2014-02-06 14:31:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoshi Sorano
Debora Tsung wrote:
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Some of the younger and/or more impressionable players may take this as some sort of signal that they have somehow done something worthwhile with their lives.

You and people like you* formed a community (willing or unwillingly) and made sure that that community lasted through the last decade. And I bet you so long as nothing unexpected happens (natural desasters etc.) it'll even last another 10 years.

What's not worthwhile about that?



It's still just a video game, a diversion, a form of entertainment, a way to waste time. As human beings, we need the occasional diversion to rest from our labors and refresh our minds, but that doesn't make participating in such a diversion any sort of significant accomplishment.

Accomplishments are what you do with the other hours in a day that you're not wasting shooting space pixels.

Seriously, the importance some people place on video games is sickening.

The comment about my coworkers was rude and uncalled for by the way; the point is that I have not seen a favorable reaction to this monument outside of EVE players, and aside from some media hype, I doubt that we will.

Malcanis wrote:

Some people get more out of EVE than playing just another video game.


Some people need to get a life.

Go outside once in a while, look at the real stars, talk to someone face to face, accomplish something real, and don't expect to be recognized for something you did in a world that doesn't even exist.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


I suggest moving somewhere that has a lot of sunshine. You'll feel a whole lot better about things.


Funny, I live somewhere known for its sunshine. Unlike some here, I actually go out and see it every now and then. In general, I do feel pretty good about things, I just don't take false pride in something that has no real meaning. If your personal self-worth is so tied up in your participation in a virtual world that people use for entertainment, I suggest professional help.

Do something truly worthwhile with your life and you'll "feel a whole lot better about things." Keep making playing a video game your crowning achievement, and you'll have self esteem problems the rest of your life.
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#311 - 2014-02-06 14:37:32 UTC
Wackal Jackal wrote:
Findell Ronuken wrote:
what a giant waste of money typical ccp wasting money on things not related to eve in any way even when the game is broken


They're going to get tons of subs from people who just want to get their name on the monument, so...


Who will promptly unsub once their names are included and the same factors that caused them to quit in the first place remain, so...

Cash grab gimmicks are rarely effective for actually building the community. The game needs more stable subscriptions, not a one month surge that will drop off just as quickly.
Taranogas 3rd
Doomheim
#312 - 2014-02-06 14:52:33 UTC
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
It's still just a video game, a diversion, a form of entertainment, a way to waste time. As human beings, we need the occasional diversion to rest from our labors and refresh our minds, but that doesn't make participating in such a diversion any sort of significant accomplishment.


I find it funny that you're making this a bigger deal than it is, people are cool with it just accept it, no one is thinking "aha these nerds have no life they don't see sunshine and accomplished nothing that they need to revert to doing this to have meaning in their pathetic little lives"

this is exactly how your argument sounds, most people are cool with it and appreciate the gesture it's a nice fun cool thing, but then comes your bunch over analyzing like the morons they are.

Quote:
I just don't take false pride in something that has no real meaning. If your personal self-worth is so tied up in your participation in a virtual world that people use for entertainment, I suggest professional help.

Do something truly worthwhile with your life and you'll "feel a whole lot better about things." Keep making playing a video game your crowning achievement, and you'll have self esteem problems the rest of your life.


who here EVER said that? just because we appreciated this kind of thing that means all that dribble you said?
who even hinted at tying their self worth over a game?
and it's like the other people you play with, or this virtual community that you're apart of doesn't exist what do you do? consider everyone you interact with an NPC? what a sad little man..
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#313 - 2014-02-06 15:01:09 UTC
Taranogas 3rd wrote:
who even hinted at tying their self worth over a game?


Everyone in this thread who thinks this "monument" marks something worth immortalizing in stone and steel.

Everyone here who feels the need to vehemently defend such a monument.
Taranogas 3rd
Doomheim
#314 - 2014-02-06 15:07:02 UTC
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Taranogas 3rd wrote:
who even hinted at tying their self worth over a game?


Everyone in this thread who thinks this "monument" marks something worth immortalizing in stone and steel.

Everyone here who feels the need to vehemently defend such a monument.


and you feel the need to point this out to everyone exactly why
you feel the need to bash on something which probably won't affect you in any such way
if you are so disgusted and opposed to this then just unsub till after march 1st, when they put every "no-lifes" name on it then you can be proud that you were not a part of it and not marked as "the people who tie their self worth over a game".
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2014-02-06 15:54:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoshi Sorano
Taranogas 3rd wrote:
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Taranogas 3rd wrote:
who even hinted at tying their self worth over a game?


Everyone in this thread who thinks this "monument" marks something worth immortalizing in stone and steel.

Everyone here who feels the need to vehemently defend such a monument.


and you feel the need to point this out to everyone exactly why


Because you asked; if you don't like the answer, maybe it's a bit too close to the truth for you?

Also because while I don't consider playing the game to be some grandiose achievement worth immortalizing, I do find it fun to play. As such, I am interested in the health and future of the game as a game, and I feel that actions like this will present the wrong image of our community, and in the long run, drive away more potential players than it attracts. Those it does attract will be people who join purely for egocentric reasons, and who will have little interest in continuing in the game.

Subscription based games live or die by the growth and stability of their subscriptions. I would love to see EVE continue for another decade, but continued bonehead moves by CCP seem to threaten that possibility. Any company that prioritizes stroking their own ego over improving their product has a limited shelf life.
Jelly Fat
Greedy Bastards
#316 - 2014-02-06 15:58:35 UTC
If a community had to reach a consensus before going forth in a project, nothing would get done, ever.

So, hat's off to those who takes initiatives!

How powerful will you be?

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#317 - 2014-02-06 16:58:04 UTC
Friends, please accept this song as token of my appreciation for this holy EVE monument

Johnny Cash - Ain't No Grave
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#318 - 2014-02-06 17:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirren D'marr
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:


Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah.


Again, this is a computer game! Comparing a monument to a recreational pastime in any way, shape, or form to a monument honoring soldiers who gave their lives defending the freedoms of others is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.



The point, which you obviously missed in your overzealous hasty hatred of this thing, was the unbelievable whining about the Vienam Memorials purpose and design back in the 80s. This has nothing to do with anything relating to a comparison between the military and a video game. That is a fabrication of your own imagination and nothing else.

Sorry, but the world has not provided me with another video game player monument to compare it too. I'm pretty much restricted in example to use only military based monuments, and unknown monuments to unknown bridge builders and such.

Get a freakin grip.


If I misunderstood your intent, I apologize. From my perspective, you were claiming that, regardless of the design of the structure, the monument would be popular in the same way that the Vietnam Memorial is popular.

The Vietnam Memorial is popular not because of its design, but because of the significance of the names etched into its surface. Claiming that this monument would be popular in the same way attaches the same sort of significance and importance to the fake names which will be inscribed on it. It implies that the names on the EVE monument are somehow equal to (or even remotely similar to) the names of those lost in Vietnam.

It is that idea which I find disgusting, and that is the meaning which I drew from your parallel. If that's not what was intended, then I retract my earlier comment.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Sieges
#319 - 2014-02-06 17:55:11 UTC
They should take some super high resolution pictures of the monument so that we can zoom in and see the character names. Someday it would be awesome to visit Iceland, but for me, for now, it is not in the cards. But I would still like to see the names Big smile
Rastafarian God
#320 - 2014-02-06 19:04:53 UTC
1. Pretty cool and neat that you are doing this.

2. Don't ever use a countdown like that again unless its about something truly awesome game side.

3. I would much rather my real name be on that then my characters name. That would actually mean something.