Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The Sac gets 25% ROF and 25% dmg from its hull bonus. That is only to heavy missiles though, so not really relevant when discussing RLML.

The CNI gets 25% ROF and 25% Expl Radius; which actually kind of puts it where RLML damage should be (maybe with a 20sec instead of 35sec reload instead. Seriously; half the time I can't even reload during gate to gate warps, 35sec is just too long).

The disturbing thing here is that devs seem to be putting a bunch of different launchers and turrets in EFT or Pyfa and then go "looks balanced to me". Everyone who's actually tried these and said "hang on; have you looked at the actual practical side of this, like at damage application or you know; fun factor" just gets ignored. What is the point of these threads if you're going to completely ignore all feedback given and instead wave around some popularity spreadsheet?

So what's happening with the ammunition swap? The only way I see this working is to allow an instantaneous swap when switching ammunition - but only replacing the new type with the current capacity. Otherwise, you'll be able to get around the 35-second reload and will ultimately be able to get 3 reloads in less time than the 35-second standard reload. Just make it 20 seconds and we can call it a day already...

Dropping the reload to 30 seconds would probably be enough to balance it out; a flat 20-seconds for both reload and swap would address it entirely.

I was never against a reduction in reloading time - I just preferred more ammunition. A lot more. But, since that's extremely unlikely to happen at this point I'm trying to be realistic with any expectations. I'm expecting nothing, but hoping we'll get thrown a bone...

Sorry Arthur, you got your bone, it is made of clay and has no real value - Chew carefully it is fragile.


I do so love the use of the word "Plenty" to quantify something.
Plenty of nothing - is still nothing.
Without figures to show how "Plenty" was reached and what it equates to, it is a meaningless word often used to cover a less than acceptable number or outcome.

Bumped as a reminder that the ammo switch problem has not been addressed. The choices which ammo selection offers are interesting and a big part of what makes missiles fun as a weapon system. Unfortunately the rapid redesign has severely handicapped that functionality.

A naga hosting 8 cruise missile launchers would be OP on toast!

It would make for some interesting battles I'll admit, since the it could destroy a ship like itself with its own alpha strike.

... so I agree with you, it would be great to see! The battles would be hilariously quick.

how are the heavy missile numbers, how about rapid heavies?

i bet they're not great. the main reason for the RLML usage increase is they are the only real viable medium-long range cruiser missile platform ever since the huge over-nerf of HMLs
if you buffed HMLs back to where they should be, i'm sure all the RLML complainers would disappear too - all the complaints exist because there is no alternative to the 35 second reload frontloaded RLMLs. if heavies were viable, people would use RLMLs when they want frontloaded damage that applies to frigates+ and people would use HMLs when they want consistent damage against cruisers+

also might result in the first person ever fitting RHMLs since heavies would be usable

if you think a heavy missile launcher is anywhere near a 250mm railgun i have nothing to say to you

If you look at the whole heavy missile thing. Since the great Drake fix heavy missiles have seen no attention at all. While in the same period all classes of guns have been balanced several times, through either ship balancing bonuses or direct buffs.

There is technically nothing wrong with heavy missiles that appropriate ship bonuses wouldn't fix.
Take the humble Drake; 4% to resists, 10% to Kinetic damage.

Give it a damage application bonus so it is not forced to use all 3 rig slots to get 'close' to decent application.
or
Give it a Range bonus so it can be used as a sniper - navy missiles, all 5's - 68k range is not sniping.

Yes I picked the drake to use as an example and yes it is possibly the 'worst' example I could use BUT that is the point. An appropriate bonus on medium missile platform can make them usable and able to compete with other ships in class.

A 2.5% per level explosion radius or explosion velocity bonus to heavy missiles - sound silly?

Lastly - Replace ROF bonuses for Rapid Launchers
Give Relevant bonuses to RHML - - they would work - if the issue of damage application for heavy missiles were addressed.
2.5% Explosion Radius bonus for heavy missiles on the Caracal , no Velocity bonus to heavy missiles. I would gladly give up range for better application.