Player Features and Ideas Discussion

An instant-hit weapon system that never misses. That should go over well… Besides, I like my smoke trails.

Yep, they're great on the Prophecy for anti-frigate duty. They're even fairly effective against interceptors.

Read my post-Rubicon 1.1 assessment. Some launchers got +3 missiles, and combined with the reload reduction it actually translates into a +20% overall damage increase for most of the T1 launchers (less for T2 and Faction).

Interesting RLML update...

Thrasher Threesome
I stumbled into a insta-lock Thrasher gatecamp, and managed to take out two with the third into hull before it escaped. This was with a single clip using the Arbalest RLMLs. Unrelated, I was later out in a HML fit and got jumped by a Crow, Sentinel and Cynabal. I managed to take out the Crow and Sentinel with precisions and put the Cynabal into armor - but not before a Falcon showed up and ruined the fun. I was then dog piled by an Enyo, Vexor, Ishtar, Malediction and Machariel. I switched to FoFs but at this point they could only randomly hit the swarm of drones. Basically, if you find yourself having to switch to FoFs - you're already dead...

Rapiered and Vexed
While in low-sec a Rapier Force Recon dropped and put the screws to me. I'd previously swapped out two of my kinetic RLML launchers to explosive prior after picking up an Enyo in the system, so as it turned out I had an ideal load-out. The Rapier employed dual webs and disruptors, so while the MWD gave me some limited maneuverability I clearly wasn't going anywhere. I had him into armor when a Navy Vexor showed up to reinforce and hit me with another web and disruptor, which made it easier for his complement of Ogres to make some headway. With the RLMLs I was able to destroy the Hobgoblins from the Rapier and then focus on the Vexor's Ogres. He tried retrieving a few but was only marginally successful, saving perhaps one. With the temporary reprieve from the Ogres I refocused my attention on the Rapier and finished it off. The Vexor had regrouped and sent several flights of Warriors, but the RLMLs destroyed or drove them all off. With my shields dangerously in the red at this point, I used the opportunity to overheat the MWD, escape disruptor/web range and reload. I re-engaged but he jumped out and I decided to call it a night.

This was my first head-to-head with RLMLs against cruisers, and I'm fairly psyched with how well they did. The extra ammunition and 5 seconds off the reload actually made a *big* difference in this particular battle. I think the total number of reloads was in the 3-4 range. While you're not going to necessarily take out a cruiser in a single clip, RLMLs are proving to be ideal against drone-based ships - which seem to be all the rage right now. With the recent drone omni and shield recharge nerfs, RLMLs are more effective than ever. Where RLMLs really shine is in those situations where you get ganged or tackled by smaller ships. I've racked up two interceptor kills to RLMLs, and I think the unfortunate owners were just as surprised as I was.
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CCP Rise, I hope this is the kind of feedback you were after. Ideally, if we could get the reload down to 30-seconds and come up with an ammo swap solution this would probably balance things out nicely. The previous suggestion I'd made for ammo swaps was to make it instantaneous - but only replace the current ammo quantity. So if you had 5 missiles remaining you'd only get 5 of the new type with a swap. This would prevent abuse with a standard reload (since you could just keep switching types to get around the 35-second reload), and wouldn't penalize you at the start of an engagement for having the wrong ammo pre-loaded (since you could instantly swap it out).

prolly tengu since i doubt any t1 cruiser hull would be able to live thru all that

Have you considered a dual-asb tengu? The one I use has happily tanked 5 dps battlecruisers with a little bit of overheat on the invulnerability fields.

Tengu is his fav hull. Sadly this is exactly the type of feedback Rise is looking for. It will without proper investigation show RLML are in an ok place.



I'm not exactly sure what happened but the kill board shows; a little over 1.2 bil in losses (3 dead Tengus) to kill, 2 Thrashers a Crow and a Sentinel.

No offence Arthur, (I like many appreciate the work you have put in on RLML and trying to make them work) But this is not a glowing way to show - "look RLML work" .

I wonder, if the Tengu didn't have 200mil faction fit. Would it have had the same "success" (for want of a better word, it did kill 2 destroyers before turning up its own toes)

I am, actually. I wouldn't mind checking out your fit if you could email me the details…


As indicated, there are limits to the application - and I do think a few additional tweaks are warranted. A Force Recon and Navy Vexor aren't exactly cheap ships, either.


It's all about return on investment: the Tengus have all paid for themselves several times over.


I wouldn't necessarily say RLMLs "work" in every scenario; for my particular application they do, mainly because the biggest threat I face is from fast tacklers and drones. You don't necessarily need a blingy fit - T2 will suffice in a lot of instances.

Another roam, another RLML update...

Vexed Again
What is it with Vexors anyway? One catches up to me, points and drops a flight of Valkyries while he calls in reinforcements. I quickly turned, lit him up with a web and scram and dispatched the Valkyries. A Sentinel, Merlin, Incursus and Crow had jumped in and were quickly burning to the fight. I was hit with various points and neuts, but focused my attention on the Vexor which went down extremely quickly (a second flight of Hobgoblins had no effect). I turned my attention to the Sentinel and he realized too late what I had for armament; his effort to pull range was unfortunately in vain. The Merlin and Incursus only lasted a few volleys, and in the heat of battle I lost track of the Crow (assume he managed to get out). I started with a kinetic and EM load-out and only reloaded a grand total of one time (I opted to swap the EM out for full kinetic after the Vexor).

My ship of choice was again a Tengu with a modified fit - one that actually worked out surprisingly well. In the interest of full disclosure, some of the victims took NPC damage - but not nearly as much as I did (I more or less absorbed the bulk of it). This was quite an enjoyable fight despite being outnumbered 5:1. My opponents were really good sports and relayed that "they had to go for it, even though they weren't entirely optimistic about their chances.

Addendum: They later organized several fire teams and went well out of their way to chase me all throughout low-sec.

No worries, I'll let someone else pickup the torch...