Player Features and Ideas Discussion

sounds good to me.

I thought it was "Never put SP into missiles..."

Never not nerf Caldari.

You will find most of the ships missing bonuses are not cruisers but battle cruisers, and this was deliberate on CCP's part to make Battlecruisers feel different, not just oversized cruisers.
If there are cruisers missing RLML bonuses feel free to bring those up though.

thats not quite the same you know ? fof do not fire on a specific target nor have they the dmg normal missiles do.

point is.. it used to be great for solo play.. in fact its best usage was for solo play. Now its not usable there. And people are rightfully complainign that almsot everythign made in eve on last few years has been a nerf to solo play.

Had a great time yesterday at the Stay Frosty Frigate FFA. I think the RvB Ganked killboard speaks for itself :)

I put together a couple of really fun Breacher fits and raced around killing everything I could get my hands on. My last Light Missile Kiting Breacher lasted for hours, until I got killed by a boosted Heretic that I engaged in a fit of overconfidence.

I can't count the number of times I dscanned, and changed ammo types while in warp to what I thought would be best for hitting my intended target. I was carrying all damage types, plus auto-targeting missiles to surprise the random Maulus that kept trying to kite and sensor damp. ECM was not allowed for the event, but there were a few Griffins. I was bringing Precision missiles originally, but I was trying to stay out of scram range as much as possible, and 18km just wasn't comfortable, so I just took faction ammo.

I look forward to being able to try out this kind of kiting gameplay at a Cruiser level with a Bellicose or Scythe Fleet Issue, but I won't be doing it with Heavy Missiles or RLML until they are both fixed. Right now with my skills (only trained in missiles), outside of the frigate level, I am not able to contribute much to our fleets with missile DPS, so I typically fly an Interceptor, or run Logistics/Ewar.

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I don't believe that these changes in 1.1 will make any significant difference to the gameplay of the rapid launchers. I will personally be helping the statistics by continuing to boycott the module until it is iterated into something half-decent. Considering the changes in the thread OP, at this rate, that'll probably take 3 or 4 more point releases.

I'm glad CCP Rise has said ammo swapping is being looked at, and I applaud that they learned their lesson by not rushing something incomplete through. I think a lot of us are still bitter that the ammo swap problem was introduced with the 40-second reload without a solution, when it could have been avoided by delaying the rapid launcher changes in Rubicon for a full solution to be done, instead of iterating on something incomplete.

So lets talk about it. A few people mentioned an interesting change that could be made here. A reload timer would definitely be a "nice to have", instead of the module just flashing. A more productive development that I did like, was the idea of the ammo reloading in cycles, a few blocks of ammo at a time, instead of having to wait the whole 10-40 seconds. If you could cancel a full reload cycle to give yourself a few more volleys to finish off a target, that would introduce some very interesting gameplay.

Modules that are time/reload dependent like cap boosters, anciliary shield/armor modules, and potentially weapons would all have a lot more flexibility and choice for the pilots on when to use them, when to keep them idle (and ready to activate), and when to try to sneak in a partial reload cycle. Pilot skill would mean a lot more here, where the current design means you might both be sitting staring at each other while your modules flash.

This would do a lot to improve solo combat actually.

I think it's a very good and correct idea.

I find your lack of knowledge disturbing.

The only way for a missile with some sort of explosive warhead to deal all of its possible damage to a target is if it is detonated inside the target. Missiles can and do miss as you say. Many of them, especially air-to-air missiles have a proximity detonation system that sees when it flies past a target within a certain distance and detonates the warhead. Rods or ball-bearings wrapped around the warhead explosive charge are blown outwards in the hopes of shot-gunning an aircraft.

Main battle tanks employ armor that can deflect or absorb enough energy to defeat even large armor piercing rounds. Modern missile technology has been designed to counter that or get around it. The TOW2B was intentionally designed to explode over a tank instead of hitting it directly and shoot a depleted uranium shell downwards through the thinner top armor.

In short, missiles do NOT always deal full damage in real life.

I do agree with the idea that some parts of the missile damage formula are a bit of a stretch. But that doesn't mean it doesn't work for the purposes of Eve Online. And frankly, what we do have makes some sense. Your ship only has so much surface area. A warhead detonation can only deal damage to the exposed areas of your ship. Only a directed charge fired directly at the target would deal full damage. A ship with a small signature radius is harder for a guidance system to track.

I don't care for the explosion velocity part as much. Any explosion will be orders of magnitude faster than anything we could even begin to survive in while under acceleration. Rather than a geometric reduction of damage, perhaps we could employ a system to emulate hit or miss chances.

And about guidance systems, there are as many ways to guide a missile as there are platforms to use them. Passive, semi-active, active, home-on-jam (why Eve no have HARM?), data-link, gps, wire-guided (no troll there a wire back to the launcher), the list goes on.

Yes, that's why everywhere you look all you see is RLML Caracal fits now… LMFAO
These changes won't make any difference.