Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dotn beleive they change things intentionally to helpa side. But given the clear advantage to one side on these changes, woudl be wise of them to delay them. Even if not with will to, these changes are aheavy deus ex machina intervention of CCP in the war and should be delayed at least 1 monht so that all parts can prepare and adjust.

Doesn't make any difference since you can't pack a lot of them in a super anyway.
CCP literally has no idea how their game works or they are RMT supporters. No other way.

Eeh.. I don't understand. Sure reducing Fighter Bombers' survivability might not be a step in the right direction (and its debatable... DEATH TO ALL SUPERCAPITALS !).

... But you were not passive tanking your Fighter Bomber anyway right ? If you want to keep this expensive stuff alive, its normal that you put some effort on it, and not only let the passive regen do its job.

What clear advantage? Maybe it's just because I haven't been as active in fleets recently, but I don't recall anybody using fighters or fighter-bombers. Certainly not extensively. And even if they were, the shield regen has such a minor effect in practice. If your fighters or fighter-bombers are going to die, they'll probably die with or without the regen.

It doesn't matter what change CCP makes at this point, scrubs are still going to scream about it being a change to please us. Even when it makes no sense to, such as here.

You should know that pretty much everyone thinks that fighters and fighter-bombers could do with being a bit more survivable. That would include us.

people are aking for improving drones and drone boat for years , drone boat in pvp ( i mean real one not 5K people in local )
are pain in the A ..

and instead of improving them they :

Nerf missions for drone boats drones get massive aggro
Nerf bonuses of dominix , nerf tracking of sentries
nerf omnidirectional link
nerf everything drone related when goon ask

Gallente are supposed to be drone faction ( the lore say it ) and Prophecy has drone and be more efficient in pvp
Archon ..... no bother tell anything at this point.

Maulus only 3 drones , keres .. get drone bay and drone BW nerfed
and now drone shield regen ?

CCP be honest and Just remove drone from the game and remove the gallente LORE
need more ?

This is pretty easy to avoid if you're not an idiot.


No, the Dominix prior to Odyssey had only the 10% damage and hitpoint bonus. In Odyssey it was given a very powerful buff with a 10% bonus per level to drone tracking speed and optimal range. The buff was scaled back somewhat in Odyssey 1.1, but it's still very powerful and of course overall a significant buff over what it was prior.

So the net effect in recent history was a significant buff in that respect.

The Ishtar also got two powerful drone bonuses it didn't have before in Odyssey 1.1 - one was a 7.5% per level sentry drone tracking and optimal similar to what the Dominix has (but only affecting sentries), and the other was a 7.5% heavy drone tracking and MWD speed bonus. One of the bonuses that was replaced, the drone bay capacity bonus, was instead added to the ship's stats itself so it wasn't even lost.


When did this happen? I'm sure you have a link.


As far as tracking is concerned it's a buff, and as far as range is concerned it might not be as bad of a nerf as you think it is.


And the game itself reflects it more than ever. Also the Prophecy wasn't even a drone boat at all until Retribution 1.1.

You do realize the shield regen is the same for heavy drones, and it's buffed for anything smaller?

Fozzie suggestion for fighterbombers. Reduce sig radius on them otherwise you are going to have 1 dude running a Isboxer killing 100's of fighterbombers on each pass. Which is dumb since Supercarriers can only carry 1 flight of Fighterbombers.

Drones -

Quite possibly the single worst weapon system, from the viewpoint of needing to be re-vamped, and you're going about it by doing one change at a time, instead of examining them, the modules & rigs that affect them, the SKILLS that affect them (for the love of all that you may or may not consider holy, when will you get around to making E-War Drone Interfacing have an affect upon E-WAR DRONES?!) the manner in which they're used (yes, Fozzie, that includes PVE), and the ships for whom they are the primary focus, as a whole, putting in the skull sweat, and presenting a change that brings better balance to PVP, doesn't screw over PVE (yeah, like you've shown that you actually care about the parts of the game that 70% of your subscribers say is their primary focus [/SARCASM]), and appears BALANCED!

The patchwork quilt you're putting together will only, in the end, be just as bad as what we have now.

I'll also re-iterate, if you're going to be doing drone fixes in small, easily accomplished steps, how about swapping the damage modifiers between Amarr and Minmatar drones, and make a SLIGHT decrease in the damage modifier of Gallente drones? Something along the lines of -0.004, maybe -0.005? Enough to make mission runners actually THINK about more than "Enemy = Angels? If 'No', then Gallente!"

Yes, I understand, this will have a net negative upon PVP, and decrease the value of Warrior II's slightly (which I manufacture, so I'm willing to take a hit for better balance), but it will (a) be VERY easy to do, and, (b) actually improve drones overall.

sig radius is the biggest issue in terms of tanking for drones as considering all drones are smaller than frigates yet some have cruiser sigs and are thus easily picked off.. then of course getting around to making them actually consistent with their races might help .. like caldari drones should actually have more shield HP than structure which without resists is just easy to chew through.

then there is the engagement range which is tiny along with their tiny optimal ranges ... drones should be really agile ...
maybe T2 drones could have a role bonus .. 25% damage reduction to incoming damage due to their agility making them hard to track