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psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#401 - 2014-01-16 22:49:12 UTC  |  Edited by: psycho freak
Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#402 - 2014-01-16 22:53:31 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Again, you can take out "nullsec" and replace it with "humans" or "people" and that's still pretty much true. It's not like your side doesn't engage in much the same behavior. The difference is, your hating seems to get developer results (as evidenced by the ESS module's very existence), whereas nullsec doesn't. If anyone should be complaining, it's them.

Acting like a jerk and then attributing it as acceptable because it's "human behavior" is a really poor excuse. In any case, it's really pointless having this discussion with you. I don't think you can process it and it will be a waste of both, your time and my time.

But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind.


You can't possibly be scared of the wrath of null sec because of a post on the forums. Are you kidding me? you can't see that that was a joke?

Serioulsy (video game BS aside) you need to step away from your computer for a while/
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#403 - 2014-01-16 22:55:33 UTC
John Bosch
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#404 - 2014-01-16 23:11:49 UTC
This module needs to be killed. With fire.
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#405 - 2014-01-16 23:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Prie Mary
Fix Lag wrote:
Title edited for clarity - CCP Falcon

You know there's a pretty huge issue when

Goonswarm Federation
Mordus Angels
Fatal Ascension
Razor Alliance
Li3 Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Space Monkey's Alliance
Pandemic Legion
Black Legion
Nulli Secunda
Against All Authorities
Darkness of Despair
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
The Initiative.
Brothers of Tangra
Fidelas Constans
Gentleman's Agreement
Solar Fleet
Circle of Two
The Kadeshi
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Spaceship Samurai
Executive Outcomes


all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is really fucking stupid.

Somebody at CCP who isn't SoniClover needs to address this issue. The ESS sucks. If you put it into the game, people are going to riot and then leave. It's a trainwreck of bad ideas and nobody wants it for what it is, which is a giant kick in the gonads to anybody who already has to endure the misery of ratting in nullsec.

It doesn't work. There are so many wrong things with the mechanics it's like somebody looked at the list of "Things That Were Taken Out Of Eve Or Never Added In The First Place Because They Suck(ed)" and used that as a template to design the ESS. CCP SoniClover got his pompous ass handed to him by Weaselior who came in with officially published statements by other CCP employees showing that the stated reason for the ESS to exist was entirely false.Seriously. Page 21. It's all right there.


And all that we, the players of this game, have to show for our originally respectful criticism, is CCP SoniClover creating a PR disaster by pissing us off and assuming we're stupid.


Somebody else from CCP needs to step up and start dealing with this. And good luck if you go the "well let's just censor everything like we usually do" route.



RABBLE BABBLE BLAH!! As usuial the people who's ingame income is effected are OUTRAGED and performing mass forum rage and ship toasting.

Lets look back in eve history...

CCP nerfed incursions - Incursion runners raged.

CCP nerfed missions - Missioners raged

CCP nerfed wormholes - Sleeper farmers raged

CCP propose to nerf 0.0 bears income by..... 5% or alternatively buff it 5% depending on view - 0.0 bears rage


Looking at this history of changes/nerf, the rage on forums. guess what.... ESS is coming, man up, stop the QQ play the game... or rage quit for a few months but then come back, they are your options Roll

At least this "change" will bring something to the eve experience, the option to stab your alliance mates in the back and steal their bountys, or even, grab a cloaky and go looking for someone elses hard earned bounty's. Either way, its along the lines of eve's harsh immersive universe

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#406 - 2014-01-16 23:23:46 UTC
Prie Mary wrote:
Lets look back in eve history...

CCP nerfed incursions - Incursion runners raged.
CCP nerfed missions - Missioners raged
CCP nerfed wormholes - Sleeper farmers raged
…because CCP could provide reasons why incursions were payout out too much; why missions were encroaching on other activities in the kinds of goods they created; and… ok, I'm stumped on the last one. How and when did that happen?

Quote:
CCP propose to nerf 0.0 bears income by..... 5% or alternatively buff it 5% depending on view - 0.0 bears rage
…because CCP can't provide any reason why it should happen other to give their ill-conceived, non-functioning toy a reason to exist — a fact that only proves that it has no reason to exist to begin with. Oh, and it's not just nulseccers raging against that kind of idiocy.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#407 - 2014-01-16 23:28:28 UTC
Wow. The devs really don't play EVE, do they?
Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#408 - 2014-01-16 23:29:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Norm Tempesta
I can see this deplorable being outlawed in the area I rat in. There is are just too many ways it can and will be abused. Plus the arguments it would cause every time someone went to access it, whether it was a good time to do so or not.

I have no idea what is up with all the deployables that are coming out, but this is by far the biggest piece of space rubbish I have seen in this game.

CCP could have just left this offal out of the equation.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#409 - 2014-01-16 23:33:42 UTC
ESS should be constellation-wide, not per system. Twisted

Yeah I'm trolling.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#410 - 2014-01-16 23:37:01 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
ESS should be constellation-wide, not per system. Twisted

Yeah I'm trolling.


Heck, why not make it an actual warp-able thing? Put a deadspace beacon in there with the thing in it, just have it scoop 5% constantly.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#411 - 2014-01-16 23:45:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
because CCP can't provide any reason why it should happen other to give their ill-conceived, non-functioning toy a reason to exist — a fact that only proves that it has no reason to exist to begin with. Oh, and it's not just nulseccers raging against that kind of idiocy.


Buy a big toy and put it in a big box.
Take it home to your kids.
Kids play with big box because it's more fun for them than the toy.

I'm going to just keep playing with the big box. Stupid toy is stupid.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#412 - 2014-01-16 23:48:54 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:


Buy a big toy and put it in a big box.
Take it home to your kids.
Kids play with big box because it's more fun for them than the toy.

I'm going to just keep playing with the big box. Stupid toy is stupid.


If you don't play with the toy you lose 5% of the box.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Desmond Strickler
#413 - 2014-01-16 23:54:25 UTC
"oh no my precious bounties! Oh how will I ever pay for my ratting tengu now noooooooo" -Literally everyone in this thread

No one will probably use this anyways, so I have no idea why you are sperging over it. and you act like 5% is going to kill you.

1. HTFU
2. Buy a incursion alt
3. ????
4. Profit

[b]Part-Time Moon Bear and Full-Time Black Guy

"My other dread is a Swaglafar"[/b]
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#414 - 2014-01-16 23:57:41 UTC
Desmond Strickler wrote:
1. HTFU
2. Buy a incursion alt
3. ????
4. Profit


And that, right there, is the problem.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#415 - 2014-01-17 00:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Prie Mary
Tippia wrote:
Prie Mary wrote:
Lets look back in eve history...

CCP nerfed incursions - Incursion runners raged.
CCP nerfed missions - Missioners raged
CCP nerfed wormholes - Sleeper farmers raged
…because CCP could provide reasons why incursions were payout out too much; why missions were encroaching on other activities in the kinds of goods they created; and… ok, I'm stumped on the last one. How and when did that happen?

Quote:
CCP propose to nerf 0.0 bears income by..... 5% or alternatively buff it 5% depending on view - 0.0 bears rage
…because CCP can't provide any reason why it should happen other to give their ill-conceived, non-functioning toy a reason to exist — a fact that only proves that it has no reason to exist to begin with. Oh, and it's not just nulseccers raging against that kind of idiocy.



Well 1 reason which springs to mind - arnt 0.0 people always asking for CCP to motivate us high sec carebears into 0.0 to provide them more targets, this module does so, it is a carrot... tempting the brave and daring carebear out to 0.0 to steal someones bountys.

This module is likely not only to add another level of immersion to 0.0 play - scamming, spys and trolls are all part of alliances, corp thieves etc, this module adds the choice to steal your friend/enemys hard earned cash. Think of it as legitimate scamming.

There will be a few knock on effects. The increased highsec carebears attempting to get to 0.0 will provide the low/null gate campers with easy targets.

0.0 alliances might actually, you know defend their ratting space - have to bait and clear out cloakys, chase off red/neutral roaming gangs before they just take hundreds of millions in accumulated bountys.

It will entice people to form roaming gangs to go around like repo men, killing ratters and stealing their bountys from the ESS, then moving onto the next area and doing the same.

not to mention corp leaders/alliance highbys have the option not only of raising corp taxes to 100% to get people to stop ratting and join fleets, but go and blow up/take their bountys as a motivational tool.


There you go, it doesn't add anything Shocked

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#416 - 2014-01-17 00:05:10 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:


Buy a big toy and put it in a big box.
Take it home to your kids.
Kids play with big box because it's more fun for them than the toy.

I'm going to just keep playing with the big box. Stupid toy is stupid.


If you don't play with the toy you lose 5% of the box.


The box is the same size. The toy doesn't make the box smaller. It just reduces your bounties if you don't play with the toy.

Big box is still fun.

There is much more to the box than the toy.

And there is much more to the game than 5% of bounties.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#417 - 2014-01-17 00:05:44 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Desmond Strickler wrote:
1. HTFU
2. Buy a incursion alt
3. ????
4. Profit


And that, right there, is the problem.


Quick raise the deflector shields, try and move CCP onto incursions - again. Threads about ESS not nerf incursions Lol

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#418 - 2014-01-17 00:11:54 UTC
Prie Mary wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Desmond Strickler wrote:
1. HTFU
2. Buy a incursion alt
3. ????
4. Profit


And that, right there, is the problem.


Quick raise the deflector shields, try and move CCP onto incursions - again. Threads about ESS not nerf incursions Lol


What I'm saying has nothing to do with nerfing incursions--it's pointing out that CCP has, by virtue of making nullsec worthless, made highsec incursion running (and FW frigate crap, and maybe L4s for those too desperate or stupid to do otherwise) about the only viable way to rat money. Which makes owning and maintaining a nullsec empire pretty stupid.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#419 - 2014-01-17 00:15:59 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Which makes owning and maintaining a nullsec empire pretty stupid.


The lack of indoor plumbing make owning and maintaining a nullsec empire pretty stupid.

Come to highsec!! We have indoor plumbing!!

Also BREAKFAST FOOD!!!

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#420 - 2014-01-17 00:28:11 UTC
The default nerf should be 10%. The module drops the income for another 10% but it can rise to 120% eventually.
That would be perfect balance and made everyone happy.

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