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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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Davish Krail
#401 - 2014-01-17 11:43:52 UTC
How many strategic objectives has the Lemmings taken? This was all about POCOs right?

Oh wait it was actually about Gevlon being dunked by one Goon. Don't mind me.

And how long can you use the "It's a one week old Alliance"? You are going to have to stand on your own eventually, right?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#402 - 2014-01-17 12:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
General Lemming wrote:
Its nice to see how many 00 LEET PRO's care about us high sec bears...... Even Goonie directors coming to the forums to give financial advice and why we shouldn't spend all our isks on something fun. Which we probably made with selling plex, as we have no clue how economics work Lol
Goons post everywhere. That's kinda their thing. And no, we know where you got you isk from, from high sec. And you are welcome to spend it however and on whatever you like. But none of that will make anything you do relevant to null players.

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Usman Bello
United States of Winning
#403 - 2014-01-17 12:32:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Usman Bello
Renegade Heart wrote:
One RvB'er seemed a bit annoyed when I asked about it. Now hopefully I can get some tornado kills before I go pop again Big smile


I honestly doubt that most of the RvB chaps are happy about this whole thing, given what RvB used to be about. Certainly not about ending up as the POCO-Slaves of the goon empire....

Besides, it would have been so much smarter on RvBs part to simply sit back and do nothing and then take the POCOs for themselves. Blink

The Lemmings can't hold nor want them, their goal is to simply to p*** off the goons ( seems to work nicely - kudos! Big smile ) and drive them out.

At some point it is inevitable that the goons will find themselves at a point where it's just not worthwhile to keep the POCOs, be the reason them tiring of embassing themselves or just the time and ISK wasted. This is just basic guerilla warfare 101. The Goons simply lack the presence in highsec and keeping those POCOs will just be a PITA for them.

RvB on the other hand with their strong highsec presence can hold on to them. In the end they are the true masters of this POCO space and if you ask me they should actually take what is theirs.

Ok, RvB suddenly siding with the lemmings is not gonna happen. They lack the balls for that, goon pets are neatly housebroken - but it would be pretty hilarious if they did.

Anyway good job @ the goblin for starting this. This whole david vs. goliath guerilla movement is just pure fun to read about and I shall join or support you at some point.

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General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#404 - 2014-01-17 12:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lemming
Davish Krail wrote:
How many strategic objectives has the Lemmings taken? This was all about POCOs right?

Oh wait it was actually about Gevlon being dunked by one Goon. Don't mind me.

And how long can you use the "It's a one week old Alliance"? You are going to have to stand on your own eventually, right?
Hallooooo my special friend, do you even check things before you blabbb replies ? I can use the one week old alliance for exactly........ ... week (do the math).
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#405 - 2014-01-17 13:15:59 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
So says the largest alliance in the game, that asked RvB to come and save them. Well you got me out of VFK I guess. I'm in Josameto now, and I actually managed to kill local, although that was not my intention.
So just to be clear, what you are essentially saying here is that you don;t know anything about the current politics in the game and while it would be simple for you to verify that RvB in fact entered into a POCO agreement with goons well before your little alliance, you prefer to not bother as that way you can still pretend you are relevant right?

Good show, this thread is marvellously entertaining.


No I know absolutely nothing about politics at all. You got me!


Indeed it never occurred to me to ask about when RvB would be joining the war in my first few hours of joining the alliance. That was quite a surprise when that happened.

Also, I like to pretend I am relevant to other people sometimes, but the simple fact is, that I am merely having fun in a game, where the relevance of my actions matters to nobody but myself.

After all, this game isn't really an MMO right?

Big smile
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#406 - 2014-01-17 13:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Usman Bello wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
One RvB'er seemed a bit annoyed when I asked about it. Now hopefully I can get some tornado kills before I go pop again Big smile


I honestly doubt that most of the RvB chaps are happy about this whole thing, given what RvB used to be about. Certainly not about ending up as the POCO-Slaves of the goon empire....

Why on earth would you possibly think POCOs that print ISK, and more free targets to shoot, for a PVP outfit wouldn't be something they want?

At some point you ggrrrrrGOONS types need to take a step back from your own clenched teeth and see it from the POV of the other guys; we have a mutually beneficial pact which allows us to share complete control over any POCO we choose to.

I'm sorry that makes you all flip out with rage.

Maybe you should just use them instead of complaining, or do you think Lord Randian of house aspie would give you a lower tax rate than we do? (he won't)

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#407 - 2014-01-17 13:49:53 UTC
FYI you can ignore my common-sense reasoning and deduction, because clearly you can only post on a forum when you're mad about something.

Which makes the OP, er ...

Damn this is awkward for you guys either way.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#408 - 2014-01-17 14:16:38 UTC
UMAD BRO ? Shocked
Usman Bello
United States of Winning
#409 - 2014-01-17 14:24:37 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
... we have a mutually beneficial pact which allows us to share complete control over any POCO we chose to.


May I ask what is so _mutually_ beneficial about this arrangement of yours? Lol

So far it seems rather one sided and the only contribution from the goons is to cry on the forum until RvB came to the rescue.

I mean maybe RvB sees themselves more like a plaything, not a real alliance that can hold the POCO space by its own and requires the allowance of the powers that be to get a share. But from my perspective as a bystander they seem to be the actual power in this conflict.


Khanh'rhh wrote:

FYI you can ignore my common-sense reasoning and deduction, because clearly you can only post on a forum when you're mad about something.


Welcome to the land of the crazy people, Mr. Logic-Deductor. Don't take this so serious bro.


Anyway have fun shooting eachother Blink

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#410 - 2014-01-17 14:27:01 UTC
I quite like this war, its like RvB, but on a bigger scale, and best of all, Gevlon gets to pay for it.

I hope he is funding your SRP :)

The downside is, he gets to blog about how he totally is not like any other high sec wardec group that has ever existed, but, hey, fun over coffee in the morning is why we go there anyway, right?

And can someone give me an answer about the stated win objective of this war, which is the total removal of all Goon, and I guess now, RvBee POCOs.

How many have come down this week?

I know this is not Darwins stated objective, but, it is Gevlons aim, as he does not partake in shooting for fun, cos internet spaceships are super srs business.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#411 - 2014-01-17 14:30:36 UTC
Please put this thread out of its misery.

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General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#412 - 2014-01-17 14:32:22 UTC
I just had a good laugh about an RvB mail send. A nice quote :

Quote:
For example; Lemming03 warps to Jita in his Slave set, he gets podded and loses a 3bil pod. He then must pay 3.01bil to RvB or be removed from the community.


Why do they use the words Lemmings and Jita. Is this maybe, because getting podded by Lemmings in Jita is bad Blinkd

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#413 - 2014-01-17 14:33:42 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Please put this thread out of its misery.


Bumping it won't help Blink
Davish Krail
#414 - 2014-01-17 14:38:21 UTC
Enya Dorne wrote:
You also seem to pay some of your lemmings to do missions in Genesis and then they link their KM's and get laughed out of local. maybe Gevlon you should cut your funding to them? seeming like it isn't ISK efficient if people are doing missions instead of camping Jita's undock.


Heh
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#415 - 2014-01-17 15:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
For one week war I pay 0.5B. A week haven't even passed and there is already 1.5B damage to Goons and pets. That's 300% ROI.


Meanwhile- in nullsec, Goons lose about 5b in ships in less than 45 minutes in a small engagement of no real strategic importance. Guess what? Those losses don't mean anything either.


edit: There is no implied sarcasm in the above statement.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#416 - 2014-01-17 15:40:40 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
For one week war I pay 0.5B. A week haven't even passed and there is already 1.5B damage to Goons and pets. That's 300% ROI.


Meanwhile- in nullsec, Goons lose about 5b in ships in less than 45 minutes in a small engagement of no real strategic importance. Guess what? Those losses don't mean anything either.



well you know that with so many goons someday one of them will have the ****** idea of moving a staion egg in a freighter in high sec with a character IN the alliance :P. Someday... :P

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#417 - 2014-01-17 15:56:19 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
well you know that with so many goons someday one of them will have the ****** idea of moving a staion egg in a freighter in high sec with a character IN the alliance :P. Someday... :P


EVE has no short supply of idiots, people do stupid things on the regular, and often times those people are unlucky enough to get caught whilst engaging in their intellectually challenged pursuits- trying to say their actions have any detriment on their parent alliance however is just as stupid though.

Northern Misfit
Far Mt Logistics
#418 - 2014-01-17 16:05:18 UTC
I'm so glad this thread hasn't died yet, been crazy with work in RL and it's given me something to read that's not legalese or data consuming.

As the Director who oversees the Jita pod thing, I'm going to way in on the email (or portion thereof) that Gevlon was kind enough to post. That rule has been out off and on about lemmings getting podded in Jita since before I started in RvB (1.5 years ago) long before Lemmings was a thing ;) It started it's last iteration prior to Thanksgiving, so as relevant as you'd like to make it referring to lemmings being podded in Jita, it doesn't actually have anything to do with your existance as an alliance. Sorry, you just happened to pick my wording for you name.

Now as to RvB being a pet - we are not a pet, we see this assistance as a way to get good fights. We offered our assistance for that reason. Goons don't require our allegiance, nor do they actually really need our help. As a matter of fact, no where in our POCO agreement are the words, "thou shalt help us" We just like good fights. And as the Director running the SRP for both corps (Red and Blue) I'd say my guys like good fights too, "business is good" :)



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Manny Moons
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#419 - 2014-01-17 16:09:09 UTC
Usman Bello wrote:
At some point it is inevitable that the goons will find themselves at a point where it's just not worthwhile to keep the POCOs, be the reason them tiring of embassing themselves or just the time and ISK wasted. This is just basic guerilla warfare 101. The Goons simply lack the presence in highsec and keeping those POCOs will just be a PITA for them.

I can't imagine many PI players choosing to use Goonswarm POCO planets. If I were inclined to do PI (heaven forbid), first of all I wouldn't be doing it in highsec. But if I were doing it in highsec, I would look for stability. Defense of a reinforced POCO is not enough - at that point, the POCO customers have already been screwed and are likely planning to relocate. POCOs need to stay open for business. The POCOs near Jita may be "premium" locations for displaying the owners' names, but they are poor choices for PI. So while they may be great catalysts for fights, it's hard to see much profit potential.
Snot Shot
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#420 - 2014-01-17 16:21:05 UTC
If I’m not mistaken this Alliance was created to support one person’s personal vendetta through a perpetual war dec of Goonies so it makes it risky for them to enter Empire, not to shoot/take their POCOs etc. unless a few pilots want to so they can see if Goonies will show up or for aggravation sake. To him, his personal war against the goonie is a “win” each week if he looks at the Lem killboard and the rate of return kill wise is more than he paid that week, simple as that. To everyone that gets to put a old alt to good use ganking goonies for free in Empire whenever they want, this opportunity is simply awesome….Cool

The “you’re not winning fast enough” tears from goonies and their pets from this action is very typical of you F1 monkeys tbh….Lol

Gevlon just needs to not complicate the reasoning and execution for creating this opportunity. Keep is simple since goonies look for any opportunity to measure/derail your plan if you’re not pin point focused.

If you have an alt you’re not using that often, the toon has some pvp skills, and you want to log it in on a side screen to camp a trade hub with others to gank some goonies then this opportunity is for you.

Most folks have a toon on one of their accounts that’s not been logged in for months but could now have a side use sitting in cheap ships on the undock chillin while you’re doing other stuff….Blink

This thing could just snowball into a casual and consistent presence in Empire which forces goonies to use alternate means to access trade HUBs etc. and that’s effective. And tbh if the majority of the toons in this Alliance are throw away alts, it doesn’t matter if there not consistently online since it’s basically all about possible volume and pressure. It’s also an opportunity for friends to actually form little fleets and roam empire together looking for goonies which could be a exciting time for folks that typically mission run with tier mains etc.

If I could make one suggestion it would be to set up an out of Alliance public like channel that those pilots main toons would have access to and monitor so if things are heating up at one of the trade HUBs they can be notified, log in their alt, and join in the fight. The channel can be restricted etc. but it’s just so everyone can be notified when goonie presence has started to climb in empire etc.Idea

Maybe EVENews24 can post an article about this opportunity and get the word out more?
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