Crime & Punishment

Oh I see, so descending on an enemy you outnumber 1:100 (or is it 1:200 ?), that is already fighting even worse odds, is your way to get the "good fights", yeah that makes sense. Totally! Do RvB tournaments work in a similar fashion?

Meanwhile you have a handful of crazy people opposing some evil empire that rules half the galaxy with fear and spite. What's not to like about these guys? They are like kittens. Fluffy kittens flying spaceships. Adorable..

If you're honestly about good fights... I hate to break it to you but you're clearly fighting on the wrong side.

Think it over, it's very, very (painfully) obvious.

OK so you won't ever get that. So hint: what do you think happens if someone goes after RvB POCOs?


Because grrrrGOONS

Actually we saved the day all by ourselves from the maniacal evil villain that is Gevlon. We were pretty impressed with ourselves, though everyone who went was left sitting with a calculator trying to calculate the opportunity cost of fun. Apparently that's a thing.

This is honestly a thing that could happen, I won't deny that, though it wouldn't be an alliance-owned egg, making this a net-positive event for everyone but the victim, much like the VFK beacon that never stops giving.

You join the war and show up with two Ospreys?

How many do you think get reinforced? Most high sec wardec groups are not interested in shooting a POCO, since it's not profitable and not fun. The defense that goons have for their POCOs is that it costs a staggering amount to wardec them, so most people that have the competence to take down POCOs have enough understanding about economics to know that it's not worth it.
On the other hand, I see the smaller groups having their POCOS reinforced almost every day, since it costs 50m to wardec them and they hold no real resistance, so groups like PIRAT can take them down with ease.
Then add onto that the fact that the goon/RVB rates are pretty much the best rates you are likely to get (5% I believe, remembering that it shows as 15% since concord take their 10% if you have no skill). Factory POCOs close to hubs with low rates are just the best place logistically to do high volume processing which is why they are used.

Except no one goes after RvB POCOs, because RvB is unquestionably the strongest highsec PvP organization. On the other hand Goons are a joke in highsec, just like we could see with that 99.6% ISK ratio, and easy reinforces.

Goons simply bluffed RvB into submission, telling them that they COULD threaten RvB POCOs which is an outright joke. It's like saying RvB could threaten Deklein sov.

However Lemmings called on the bluff. And even better, Lemmings don't even want POCOs. We just want Goons not having them. It's only time before RvB realizes that they are pets here, without even getting spoils like FA or SMA.

I honestly can't tell at this point if you legitimately believe this nonsense and are just that clueless about the game, or if you are saying all this in jest.
RVB and Goons both wanted POCOs back when it was estimated they'd be raking in trillions. Rather than 2 massive groups having battles over them with the POCOs spending half of their time reinforced, the 2 groups chose to split them. If this was any other group than the Goons, this would be clear and understandable.

The fact is that you don't like the Goons, thus you state everything with the usual "grr Goons" preconception that you have. And the end of the day you are an ex-TEST, so what can be expected? You have no intention of actually learning to play EVE, you only want to sit on your highchair spewing mountains of nonsense like it's going to somehow make you relevant. I just think it's a shame that Marmite have had to relegate themselves to the level of "Gevlon's pet" to feel better about themselves.

But please, by all means, tell me how all of this means that we are in fact bubbling with rage, while everything continues exactly the same way as it has done since way before the Lemmings even existed. Please proceed to tell me that posting this means that you are relevant, and isn't simply a sign that I have too much time on my hands and regularly post on the forum. Honestly, what you and a bunch of alts say on a forum has absolutely no impact on anything, in fact it just means that if by some miracle you ever say something that IS relevant, most of us will probably dismiss it as rubbish before even reading it. Boy who cried wolf becoming the boy who spewed bullshit and all that.

Do you know any particular reason why don't you own all of them? I mean why did you leave a single frequented POCO to Goons? Your pet-pact came long before Lemmings were created, so spare the "we just want forum porn and lulz" bullshit (unless you could see into the future 2 months forward).

Admit it, the Goons bluffed that they could threaten your POCOs and you ate it!

Same reason we don't own all 10K highsec pocos, its not feasable. Its better to get a good sized piece of the pie and negociate an arrangement with the goons than to spend weeks reinfocing and defending pocos back and forth. I would think that Mr "opportunity cost" would understand that.

Edit: to clarify. Yes, I think we could take the goon pocos away from them if we wanted to, but it would come at a cost. It would mean a lot of POCO ops, both offensive and defensive and would rish burning out both our line members and our FCs. Better to negotiate an agreement and make sure both sides get what they want. I honestly don't understand how people are confused by that. Its basic diplomacy. If we had made this agreement with anyone but the goons no one would think twice about it.

And for the record I do quite enjoy all this forum drama, its a nice little bonus.

They never threatened us, and we never threatened them. But it was clear that for either of us to control all the good pocos we'd need to fight which, to put it in your own langage, would come with an opportunity cost.

Oh why am I even bothering, as grandma used to say, never argue with a fool, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Learned some stuff from this. I might come back to Lemmings if they will let me later on. We'll see.

For now, I am off to NPC null for more learning

GL all Goons, RvB, and ofc Lemmings

Forgot about Marmites lol you too!