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Please... can we get response on this?
Whats with dropping of faction tower BPCs???
is that going to be implemented again or not?????

That, is an awesome request.

can you make the cyno generators work the same as the jump bridges please.

Thanks,
RK

From the perspective of someone who has seen both sides of the coin, I can say that these changes (including the revisions) are extremely positive ones.

Whilst a few people have jumped in to point out that technically, this change actually makes things even 'more' complex is true, it does make life easier and more fun, I'll give two examples

Running 20 towers
When it came to refueling them, I loaded up our special corporation website which keeps track of all our towers, including their PG/CPU usage, I would then ping the API to get the current fuel volumes in our first 4 towers nearby and now know how much of every fuel type I need in order to top them all up to maximum.

I then sit there and copy these over from our fuel reserves until my Rorqual/Anshar is full, then head off to the towers.

When I get to the towers, I have to re-go through the math and copy the correct amounts of each fuel type into each of the towers.

with the new system...
I open the corp hanger, drop a ton of pellets into my hanger, undock and go fuel towers.

For the long term organisation, we just ensure we keep a steady production of pellets going and everything is great.

I'm glad you asked these questions.

It's unwise and inconsistent to leave POCO aside, because what I'm talking about is an overall trend of nerfing PI, which hurts small corps and new players, to the benefit of the big corps and old players. That's the overall theme of all this.

Aside from that, if you want to separate the two, then yes, the artificially reduced demand for PI fuel will hurt new players, because as you said, PI is an easy source of income to get into when you're new to the game.

You asked if it's possible that the simplification of fuel management could lead to more people having towers, which would increase demand. The answer is yes, of course it's possible, but that's only an indirect possibility. The artificially reduced demand for PI fuel on the other hand, is not. That is a direct consequence of the change.

PI mats would of course continue to be bought by people producing fuel, but at a lower rate than they are right now due to the artificially induced decreased demand for the fuel.

Lastly, you asked if the fuel consumption is enough to severely reduce the demand. First of all, that's not the point. Either you artificially change supply/demand or you don't. By which rate is only of secondary importance. Demand will be reduced not because players are reacting to supply/demand, but because CCP is telling them they no longer need as much fuel as they did before.

Has anyone even noticed the initial numbers per a block and the fact that it uses 4 of those an HOUR!!?
The following is use-age numbers for large towers based on the original posted figures per a block.

The fuel increase is exponentially higher per a pos:




(Following assumes you are like some/most Eve POS owners who have far too many to actually mine/make all this crap.)
Current estimated prices for this one month bucket of fuel to power the new CCP built Porche (Caldari) Cayenne SUV:


Congratulations, you are now the proud owner of a SUV with rich leather interior, still has that new POS smell and gets a whole .000000001 miles per a gallon, it goes REALLY fast though! O.K. now some serious bits here that dont involve hurling sharp pointy objects and four letter invective laced hate mails at the people who are making the changes I know you guys get plenty of that already.

My .2 isk on this change is this:

This will wipe out or bankrupt a vast swath of pos owners, especially those who operate multiple large towers, basically i would dare say 2/3 of all pos owners would not be able to own them any more. I think i can speak for most of those and say we dont have multiple technetium moons overflowing out of our back pockets to pay for the cost of such a thing, I think even those tech moon guys if they bother to read Dev posts are having some second thoughts about this. This would negatively impact the ice market in the long run as well, less people can afford to buy the fuel so prices may stay high but the stock of ice products on the market would stagnate, less and less motivation for people to mine it.

This fuel change is far from ready to be released and you need to seriously rethink it a lot more. I'll give you a contrast by providing you with the non sov fuel per a month of one of my towers right now.

I appreciate you guys going back and making some changes to the actual functions of the pos's, its past the point of being overdue, there are many other areas of POS functions that deserve looking into futher that I hope the devs will actually spend time on. I would be happy to elaborate on those but thats a different topic for a different time. CCP needs to seriously re-think the # of blocks per hour used and dial back the amount of fuel each "Pellet" uses because this is ludicrous and unsustainable for anyone that doesn't own a bot net of 0.0 ratting accounts. Most eve players that lived in null know who I refer to.

Hence the reason new players and small corps who base their living out of PI are getting nerfed. Thanks for the numbers.

This is not the POCO whine thread.

And this change will help small corps, because now small towers suddenly got a lot cheaper to operate. Which means you can put more of your PI materials on the market rather then spending it on your own POS fuels.

(Complaining about the rise & fall of commodities in EVE is rather pointless. Look at ice prices, or mineral prices, or any other building component which tends to rise and fall based on demand or speculation. If it becomes less profitable to harvest a particular PI good, switch to a different market segment.)

Agreed! Either the above idea and/or the possibilty to also Compress Fuel Cubes themselves for some good Blockade Running Re-Supply Runs!