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Faction Warfare farming has to end - we want war instead of the Cloak & Stabs -game

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#41 - 2013-12-09 20:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
Domanique Altares wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


Ahhem, they aren't your rewards, they are the rewards of whoever can get them, just like a ninja salvager stealing a mission runners loot. They only belong to you when they are in your hanger.


They're not my rewards at all, since I no longer participate in FW due to the cancer being discussed in this thread.

And last I checked, I've never had a single LP show up in my hangar.


It's a sandbox. Neuts are just as entitled to ruin your day as you are to ruin their day. Work cooperatively and blow them up in their weak ships, you are fit for pvp they are fitted to run or hide, they are no more than belt rats to you.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#42 - 2013-12-09 20:00:42 UTC
Lfod Shi wrote:
I spent just over a week in FW, popped a few ships, shot at a few structures, sat in space a lot, and got yelled at by my own militia for closing a plex.

And then another time I got scolded for maintaining range and not warping straight into the middle of the wannabe blob. Who had control during that single engagement? I did. You're welcome.

Really wanted to enjoy it, but didn't. I support making it better.


When I was in FW, they complained when you farmed.

Then, when there was not much farming being done, they complained about system control.

Eventually you learn to just ignore certain people.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#43 - 2013-12-09 20:11:26 UTC
Up until a few minutes ago I didn't know about this FW LP farming thing.

This like finding out the local strip club was offering "full service" but only after the cops busted them (after a 12 month undercover investigation of course).

Once again I missed out on a lot of ISK. Oh well.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Arresy Barres
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-12-09 20:19:45 UTC
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
Audiatur et altera pars.

Inevitably the farmers will flock to this thread.

Jesus Christ, I'm willing to bet my hair I'm not the only one who's thought of this, but I might be the only one to put this out for you.
I know you want to make an interesting character, something refreshing and new, but those cryptic phrases and Latin you push across the board just comes out as pseudo-intellectual, wannabe pretentious, stupid, annoying ****. I don't think anyone will be bothered to seek translations or take you even remotely seriously. I just care about your time and effort.

As for the topic; timer rollbacks sound the best.

Straightforward.

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#45 - 2013-12-09 20:20:17 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
they are no more than belt rats to you.


Which is half the problem. I'm not looking to shoot belt rats. I would gladly trade a more 'empty' lowsec if I knew the people I find had fittings on their ships, and might actually be interested in fighting.

The other half is that the 'belt rats' have overwhelming control over FW sovereignty. They control who gets to dock where, and not because they care about FW as a mechanic, but because they want to ride the gravy train. As soon as one side is tapped out, they switch or roll a new farming alt and start farming it up on the other side.

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#46 - 2013-12-09 20:24:36 UTC
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
Audiatur et altera pars.

Inevitably the farmers will flock to this thread.


Damn, Harry Potter, i blame you for this. People started using Latin to precisely convey meaning after the use of French fell out of favour. Then English got so formalized nobody used either, then English was so dumbed-down that speakers lost the mental acuity provided by complex concepts such as predication. Ask people, 95% won't know what that means and it's not important to daily life. Latin terms resurfaced after the Potter books hit the screens.
Indeed.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that cannot be farmed for both isk and tears. Remember the lowsec needs love threads, know you brung this on yo'selves.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2013-12-09 20:25:03 UTC
They don't have to fight any more than you have to mine rocks.
Free choice is wonderful isn't it? Or only when its your choice?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."

Jasmin Natinde
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-12-09 20:31:35 UTC
The only income that CCP should ever look at is isk faucets, and there's only two of those ingame, mission reward isk and rat bounties.

Everything else is traded on the open market with isk from those two activities. Everything else has value based on what the market says is the item's rarity and difficulty to aquire, not what the players mouth off on the forum about it.

People are making a killing with frigates in FW because despite all the whining about it being way too easy, when it comes down to it highsec bears would rather pay a load of money for a navy cruiser or battlecruiser than fly a disposable frigate to lowsec, no matter how little the danger.
That's it. There's nothing for CCP to fix here.

Regular FW PvPers are happy to have the income as well, FW is the only truely self-sufficient solo PvP life-style their is. The stabbed farmers will not affect their income because the armed FW guy will always chase off an unarmed one and claim the plex.
It's good to be able to keep yourself in decent ships without having to farm PvE all the time.

Only washed out l33t PvP bros from null and 2003 trillionares get mad whenever some stabbed unarmed frigate runs away. Everyone else in FW is like whatever man where's the enemy fleet at.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#49 - 2013-12-09 20:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Starbuck05
+1000 from me


Also,those who do not understand why ,i believe,alot of us cry for this change is mainly because they are ignorant or do not care for this matter..or they are not part of fw at all..

People, those of you who come down to the warzones to pew us , you cannot understand because you are not the ones fighting this problem , we struggle to keep systems, plex systems to take them , tip the war zone ballance ..all of this is harder because in one big swoop all our hard work gets reduced to 0 by these farmers..

While other chars also in this category whom also do not care for the militia take it one step further and steal our lp by simply warping in at the last second while we do all of the work only to get payd in half...i do not mind sharing a plex but not with someone who will run away and leave me to die , or even worse..

No , this has to stop.. i don't care what outsiders say i know of not one clearheaded true fw player that does not share this feeling about the stabbed farmers.

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Mr Pragmatic
#50 - 2013-12-09 20:35:46 UTC
Lol, why do belligerent undesirables always get so mad when they are bested by people who work smarter not harder?

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.

Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#51 - 2013-12-09 20:38:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Starbuck05
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Lol, why do belligerent undesirables always get so mad when they are bested by people who work smarter not harder?



Because its not smarter..every idiot and his mother can do it ..and thats the problem, we joined fw for pvp and to fund our pvp while we pvp...they just joined to farm..nothing more and nothing less.

I do not understand why neutral people to fw come here to challange our plea..maybe because you have alts in stabbed frigs farming for you? Clearly...otherwise you would not care about this.

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#52 - 2013-12-09 20:40:21 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
they are no more than belt rats to you.


Which is half the problem. I'm not looking to shoot belt rats. I would gladly trade a more 'empty' lowsec if I knew the people I find had fittings on their ships, and might actually be interested in fighting.

The other half is that the 'belt rats' have overwhelming control over FW sovereignty. They control who gets to dock where, and not because they care about FW as a mechanic, but because they want to ride the gravy train. As soon as one side is tapped out, they switch or roll a new farming alt and start farming it up on the other side.



I'd like an empty low sec too, but that's because I like to explore without using probes and rat at belts, but I fully accept that other people have the right to deny me my spoils, how are you any different to a miner or a hauler complaining about gankers?

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#53 - 2013-12-09 20:47:36 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

I'd like an empty low sec too, but that's because I like to explore without using probes and rat at belts, but I fully accept that other people have the right to deny me my spoils, how are you any different to a miner or a hauler complaining about gankers?


Good lord. Are you ignorant, or just being obtuse?

You really don't get what the purpose of this thread is, do you?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#54 - 2013-12-09 20:55:46 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

I'd like an empty low sec too, but that's because I like to explore without using probes and rat at belts, but I fully accept that other people have the right to deny me my spoils, how are you any different to a miner or a hauler complaining about gankers?


Good lord. Are you ignorant, or just being obtuse?

You really don't get what the purpose of this thread is, do you?


She has a point, though.

Miner complains: "This is not fair! This is ruining my game! Low SP characters in cheap, disposable ships can just come and ruin my play with no consequence to themselves!"

FWer complains: "This is not fair! This is ruining my game! Low SP characters in cheap, disposable ships can just come and ruin my play with no consequence to themselves!"

I mean, you and I flew in FW together for a long while. You know that I know how frustrating it can be when a target gets away... but there's really no solution to it. People will still be able to warp out of a plex when you're on DScan. Making them have to jump through extra hurdles to cap a plex, reducing payouts, making "no cloak zones", making the rats harder... it will not give you more kills, because people can still simply warp out when there's someone on scan.

Also it's nice to know that if I'm really busy IRL and need to get some quick ISK to PvP with, I can run a few plexes.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-12-09 20:59:08 UTC
Arresy Barres wrote:
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
Audiatur et altera pars.

Inevitably the farmers will flock to this thread.

Jesus Christ, I'm willing to bet my hair I'm not the only one who's thought of this, but I might be the only one to put this out for you.
I know you want to make an interesting character, something refreshing and new, but those cryptic phrases and Latin you push across the board just comes out as pseudo-intellectual, wannabe pretentious, stupid, annoying ****. I don't think anyone will be bothered to seek translations or take you even remotely seriously. I just care about your time and effort.

As for the topic; timer rollbacks sound the best.

Says a dude from Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#56 - 2013-12-09 21:02:53 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

I'd like an empty low sec too, but that's because I like to explore without using probes and rat at belts, but I fully accept that other people have the right to deny me my spoils, how are you any different to a miner or a hauler complaining about gankers?


Good lord. Are you ignorant, or just being obtuse?

You really don't get what the purpose of this thread is, do you?


Ive read every post, and understand but eve is a sand box meaning that there are no exclusive activities in eve. Everyone is free to do as they please even if that gets in your way and causes you to lose a mission, lose a ship, not get any lp or lose your cargo to gankers. Yes its unfair that a neut can rob you of lp but the defence of 'it's not fair' has never applied to eve. Neuts can enter war zones and neuts can get in your way, if they do make them pay so badly they don't come back. Eve is all about pvp not completing plexes for lp. The plex is just a conflict driver, nothing more. Who turns up is the source of the conflict, whether they are enemies ir neuts, it's irrelevant.

Sorry if my English isn't very good but it's not my first language and I'm getting tired which might affect my prose.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Mr Pragmatic
#57 - 2013-12-09 21:02:55 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Lol, why do belligerent undesirables always get so mad when they are bested by people who work smarter not harder?



Because its not smarter..every idiot and his mother can do it ..and thats the problem, we joined fw for pvp and to fund our pvp while we pvp...they just joined to farm..nothing more and nothing less.

I do not understand why neutral people to fw come here to challange our plea..maybe because you have alts in stabbed frigs farming for you? Clearly...otherwise you would not care about this.



What is it you PVPers tell carebears all the time? Ah yes








HTFU

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-12-09 21:17:37 UTC
Why is that a response? Here's an area of the game that's supposed to brew conflict and actual warfare. That's the explicit stated intent. Instead players are using it to farm massive amounts of isk and people are actually driven away from the warfare aspect because too many of them just want to carebear.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Lugalbandak
Lego3
#59 - 2013-12-09 21:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugalbandak
Wich part you guys hang out lol , i think you overrated this problem , i see those farmers too, but the majority gives me fights.

By nerfing fw you gonna buuried again me thinks. im in for timer reset solo if you cloacked as mention before.

Dont forget the little guys friend , you may be top 2 batlltclinic bla bla , and i can effort also to "farm" in tech2&faction , but plenty of guys also who just are simpel newbros with 1 account , tey need those lp to keep them going to get expiernce en skills etc

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#60 - 2013-12-09 21:30:20 UTC
Looking at 1 FW corp's killboard (this is just 1):

611,867,213,193 ISK killed.

267,666,828,798 ISK lost.

For a rough total of around 900 billion.

You think that **** just grows on trees?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist