EVE General Discussion

The devil is in the details. An increased speed rollback could range from a trivial benefit for the defenders up to an overwhelming one, depending on the rate. I have some sympathy with the idea of a very limited increased rollback in order to provide a small boost to the defenders as a counter to the effects of overwhelming enemy numbers. However, the tendency would still be for the defenders to maximise the value of their time by only rolling back timers to the start point and not actually capping the plexes themselves, which I think is a cop out.

I still think the idea of independent faction timers is preferable, so you get a first past the post system where each side is incentivised to actually cap the plex but where the defenders won't have the added burden of having to first recover the time 'scored' by the attackers. This would similarly provide a small boost to the defenders but without encouraging them to just do the easy bit and then abandon the plex and rollback others in series without capping anything.

While I agree with Roime's sentiment, this pilot is correct. The farcical 'faction warfare' was over before it began, and cannot even function as a vehicle for immersive roleplaying.

The risk-free-LP-loot-faucet mechanic is not so much the problem as the failure of CCP to manage expectations. A simple change in the name of the program would have averted the confusion about 'faction warfare'.

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Yes they do.

It's called defensive plexing.

If you're not willing to do it why should you get the rewards for it?

You said chasing people out caused the timers to roll back, it does not. Sitting in the plex however does.

Timer Rollbacks would not remove the need for defensive plexing, however it would slightly reduce the impact that plex farming alts have on the Warzone.

Do you think the current system where Warzone control is largely based around farming alts should stay?

P.S. Please implement Timer Rollbacks

So what you're saying is a rollback mechanic already exists?

Thanks.

I wouldn't go that far

I'm unconvinced as yet that there is, in practice, a real problem and I am certainly unconvinced by most of the arguments provided in the first part of this thread. I don't think stabs or cloaks are a problem and I don't have any sympathy at all for the guys who are whining about how terrible it is that they should be expected to actually cap plexes when all they want is free and easy PvP.

However, I do think that there is, in principle, a potential problem such that sheer numerical superiority on one side could imbalance the FW system and that it may be the case that the whole system could use a slight tweak in order to give the defenders more of a chance if they are being swamped. But I'm still not sure that any of the proposed solutions, including my own, are either really viable or necessary. The problem is that the potential issue, as I see it, is to do with numbers but any tweak will affect the system even when there is no significant numerical imbalance. Giving a defensive advantage could, then, just lead to greater chances of stagnation in normal circumstances, which wouldn't be a desirable outcome.

However (2), if I were convinced that some change were necessary I would be inclined to support either a very limited boost to timer rollback speed or, for preference, a first past the post system with independent timers. The suggestions of things like a 10x rollback speed, instant rollback, restrictions on stabs, and generally most of what has been suggested in this thread strike me as nuts and way out of proportion to any problem that might exist.

Sorry I can't give you a firmer answer but you can put me in the qualified maybe column.

CCP please read this thread.

Contacting the CSM to do something won't bring any change to Faction War. It took YEARS! of complaints to get Faction War what it is today. Been in and out of FW for well over 5 years soon to be 6 I know first hand.

However this does not mean that we do not have a problem. CCP has proven that FW is at the bottom of Eve Care list. Instead they prefer to aid 0.0 peeps and high sec. carebears from meanies that would war dec. them and halt the oh great mining game that is Eve.

The timer Roll back is a great idea.
The cloak not so much.

In order to improve the situation in Faction war and have as little butt hurt as possible CCP would have to just deny any ship entry to a plex that has a warp core stabb fitted onto there ship. Why just the stab and not the cloak? because there is no good argument to support having a warp core stab inside a plex. A cloak can be used in pvp inside a plex for Falcon/ Pilgrim support. Also with the new SOE ships cloaks add a element to FW plexing that can't be so easy removed without MASSIVE QQ from all sides of the fence. Remember the 0.0 carebears made their tears known about how their "Ratting" was affected by AFK cloakys in system. Cloaks are a part of the game in many ways and will remain so.

Warp core stabs add nothing to the safty of farmers that can not be achived by someone with a cloak equiped on their ship. What it eliminates from FW plexing is AFK PLEXING. Thanks to not so long ago changes you can no longer run down a timer while using the cloak and uncloak trick. Also you can not keep FW plexs from spawning using this trick as well. Now if someone trys to afk plex with and alt farmer they will have to be active with that plexing alt looking for danger (not just waiting for the warning sounds so they can tab back in and warp out.) and give people a chance to destroy the farmer. Without any warp core stabs the farmer can now be pointed by normal means (not duel scram fits that believe it or not still sometimes fail to hold them in pvp.)

Removing Warp core stabs alone from plexes will still alow people to farm that are activly farming but at the same time limit the ammount of ISK farm and LP items on the market. This will not only improve the gameplay for all players in Faction War to generate more pvp but help those actually engaged in Faction war to earn more money to keep on doing what we all love. Pew Pew.

These two sentences directly contradict each other.



You are saying that there is really no problem here because you can fit your ship in such a way as to kill these guys but you just don't want to. The failure here is on your behalf with your insistence that you be allowed to fly 'normal' fits and not have to adapt to the fit your opponent chooses. CCP have absolutely no motivation to make this kind of change because it flies in the face of the entire design ethos of the game. You already have the tools you need; they are not going to change the game just because you would rather not use those tools.