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So let me get this straight.

You removed the web bonus from the Talos... because you didn't want to pidgeon hole the ship into blasters... in the process pidgeon holing it into rails.

People have now decided that these ships are sniping only... But yet the Naga has a torps with no cruise missile bonus...

The Tornado and Oracle are fine (or overpowered!) depending on how you look at things. Whilst the Talos and Naga are pretty low on CPU and perhaps a tiny bit low on grid and missing a few things...

Talos is missing drones, Naga is missing a damage bonus on hybrids or a missile flight time bonus on cruise in addition to the CPU to actually make use of it's mids. As it stands, there is just no comparison between the Tornado and Oracle vs the Naga and Talos.

sounds a lot to me like tallest still has a bit to go to balance hybrids and gallente ships!

the few sub-cap caldari ships used often in PVP in TQ are used because they either have ecm, heavy missiles or a generic weapon all races can use (bombs/torps)

Gallente ships are really only used for station and gate ganks cause of a cmbination of hybrid systems sucking and their whole ship philosophy fails with what stats they have.

unfortunately the caldari and gallente tier 3s may not really be suffering from ship stats bt theyre suffering frm hybrid weapons issues. if only the Naga could fit cruise instead of siege then all would be well in the caldari camp.

CCP FIX YOUR SHIP PHILOSOPHY ON GALLENTE!!!

heres a thought, give the talos back its drones and give it an all drone speed bonus, so that it can be pretty much the only ship that can effectively USE a couple of heavy webbing drones to get its blaster range to target.

cause as it stands, those drones are practically NEVER used, because theyre just sooo damn slow! its actually ironic how bad those drones are!

Just wanted to give a quick report on the talos.

fit 8x neutron blasters, 10mn mwd II, sebo and not telling, lows - not telling rigs - not telling

All i can say is DAMN that sucker hits hard. i mean really hits hard. However for some really small annoying targets i would like to see mabye a 25m drone bay just for protection. Other than that, what i am using it for it works very nicely.


I should also mention - I have a specific hardwire set and booster I use. So that's why the talos as a blaster boat works for me.

Quick impressions (PVE)* from tooling around in a few L4s just t o test these out:

Naga: Pick one weapon system and boost that, or bring back 4 bonuses. Also, bring back that last low. But I like the weak tank, so maybe not bring back that low? This really felt like a BS hunter, but not so much anything else.

Talos: Needs work. Odd the rail fit worked well. I lost the blaster fit. Needs either more speed, more tank, or maybe (this one!) hybrids still aren't where they need to be. I still took so much damage closing range with the blasters that it cost me the ship. rails were just disappointing both compared to blasters and to the Tornado and Naga.

Tornado: Holy effing balls. 3 shotting BSs at 125km is fun, but, um, is that necessary? 2 of these may break BC mission balance.

Oracle: Can't fit large energy turrets. (me, not the ship)

Overall: Tornado seems a bit OP for missioning and for those situations where it could come in at the edge of the grid. Naga was the most glass cannony feeling to me - the torps were powerful, but you have to get into a nasty range to use them. I wanted to like the Talos, but given the choice of a Tornado, well.... I can only think of a few strategic situations where the Talos would be useful, and would rather use a Myrm for the unpredictability of that platform.

*I know these are more PvP with glasses and the cannons, but i just wanted to shoot things with new ships!

:( ccp gallente need its dps. short range is fine. it takes a heck of allot more work to get close to a target. i should be raping his face better then any other. i want to fly in raping in your face fleets. warp in to the face, free fire, pawn all over the face.

autos should not be able to be equal in the dps from blasters period. they have the range. so increase my pawn blaster dps.

That's the the point, it CAN"T HIT SMALLER SHIPS.

In fact using drones as point defense against smaller ships in general needs to be looked at. unless your packing medium or small drones, no BS should even be able to touch a frigate.

In trueth it's just hybirds that are pre-nerfed. The caldaire ship on the other hand is double pre-nerfed. It's ship bounses are spilt we all know how well that works out and well it's got the same hybird pre-nerf that all Hybird ships share together in one big pre-nerf faimly.

As it stands all four of these simply look pretty, and have a neat gimmick and that's about it.

The problem with the Talos isn't that it doesn't hit hard - because, as you found out, it does. The Talos's problem is that both the Tornado and the Oracle also hit very hard at blaster optimal, and have massive advantages in terms of range in addition, and in the Tornado's case, absurdly, mobility as well. Since the Talos offers no ability that the Tornado or Oracle cannot also do as an afterthought, there is no reason for it to be flown.

It's still better than the Naga though.

Since you are cleaning house at CCP, do everyone a favor and fire the guy who keeps promoting the split-weapon ideology.
Split bonus on Naga means it only effectively has one bonus to the Talos and Tornado's two.

Having the option of either hybrids or torps is nice but the rokh already has a large hybrid optimal bonus (with far greater buffer) and look how many people use it. I can honestly only think of one alliance in all of EVE that actually uses rokhs instead of some other ship (like a mael).