EVE General Discussion

I agree with the OP it is kind of ridiculous that you can spend all this time in low/null dealing with actual PvPers, and then once you're back in hisec you have to worry about noob alts in catalysts every time you go near a 0.5 on your way to offload high value stuff. And then we get this new-order code chestbeating crap everywhere that's lamer than an a Provi RPer. IMO the bar for ganking is just a bit too low in terms of SP, isk and organization required. At least when gankers use alpha tornadoes or other battlecruisers they need a bit of SP, and the isk investment is significant enough to require a bit of thoughtful target selection.

Also, the current mechanics involving plastic wrap are in a wierd place, with it being available to anyone, but only if they spend a bunch of time clicking through contracts. But even with gank catas are cheap enough for that to not be much of a deterrent.

I wouldn't say stupid, but obviously you are doing something wrong. I too have been ganked, once. Then I learned all about how he did it... from him. He was a super nice guy. Now I routinely ship hundreds of millions in sleeper loot to hisec hubs and never get ganked.

If you don't want to get ganked, there are a few simple things you can do to reduce the risk to almost 0. What you first have to do is learn the tactics of your enemy. How do they spot targets, what ships and weapons do they use and how many gankers does it take to kill X ehp. The gankers have all long since worked this out. They did the homework. If you are unwilling to do your share of the homework, how can you expect to be safe from them?

The problem with suicide ganking is that it happens in an instant. The victim is literally unable to do anything about the fact he's getting suicide ganked once it has started. You can't try to maneuver back to the gate or get out of point range, you're literally dead within seconds. This is due to Concord's mechanics as they'll blap the gankers in 5 seconds, so the gankers will try to blap you in less than that.

The solution would probably be to somehow decrease all damage taken from gankers by like 75%, decrease Concord damage by like 75%, and have a running battle that occurs when a gank commences. It allows the miner/freighter to do some last minute actions that may save them, it provides time for neutrals in system to save the ganked freighter/miner, and maybe the ganker would be able to escape Concord's point if they did not kill any target. (Concord would point anybody who has aggressed, but only infini-point the person who had the final blow)

It should also emphasize decent fits on gankers because crappy t1 destroyer fits will still get blown out of the water in a couple of seconds, but real fits with tank and not jsut gank will survive longer to put out decent DPS.





Crimewatch also needs a look at. So a ganker can't kill someone and be neutral 20 minutes later to kill someone else. It should have a lasting mark on your record.

A full t2 Catalyst with 700 DPS cost about 2 months training and a 50-100 million pod if I'm not mistaken, a T2 catalyst costs around 10 million isk. 2 months of dedicated training, 50-100 million on implants and ship prices at 10 million. That's not horribly cheap or low skill in my book.

And for your information: when destroyers were buffed to the point that you indeed could rip through a barge with a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt, barges were buffed with more EHP. Sure, if you go full untanked (or ANTI-tanked with stuff such as cargohold extenders which really don't have any place on a mingin ship anymore) yield hulk in 0.5, a t1 cata is still able to blow you out of space. If you choose to get a full tanked Skiff however, you're going to need about 10 full t2 cata's in 0.5.

It's not like you don't have a choice. Same goes with your autopiloting a shuttle. A freakin' shuttle! The most paperthin way of traveling save doing it in you bare pod and you are upset/surprised you didn't make it, hm.... There is a reason why CCP never made the autopilot just warp to 0 but it lands you 15 km of the gate. That reason is risk. You want the convenience of traveling AFK? Sure, but it'll be riskier than manually flying your ship.

Being a 2008 player, I've only seen hi sec become much safer in general. No need for can mining, L4 missioning in very high sec sytems, being able to fit a battleship tank on your mining boat and STILL have decent yield and so on and so on. I really don't see what's there to complain about....

He should have done something about it before he undocked. The gankers did all the work beforehand to set up the hit. Most victims think of the fight as starting when the ganker locks and presses F1. In reality, the fight is over at that point, the only thing left is rolling the dice to see what loot drops. The fight started several minutes before that, its just the victims didn't realize it.

i wanted to make a thread about this, but i can as well reply to this, i think some should try read and actually understand what OP is saying...

Highsec shouldent be idiot safe, thats not what OP is saying, the problem is the corsepondance of what doing crimes in highsec entails, if you do it, you get punished, and the punishment should allways be in such a way that it actually hurts, and not just for those that just have started playing the game, wich points us back to what OP is trying to say... there is no punishment in highsec, if you have the means to cover the looses, for suicide ganks, wich makes the whole idea with, you >should< get punished in highsec if you violate its rules, void

Make a idiot proof system, and someone will invent a better idiot !

OP, ganking is viable style of gameplay in PVP environment. I learned it from other PVP oriented games with open PVP world. You can't change that. Yes, high sec is PVP arena too. Kind of special arena.

In AOC we had whole raids clashing in Kheshatta and other areas. Fighting for dominance over the area. Spawn ganking was common sight.

But it is. The OP wants to autopilot billions of isk worth of cargo all over empire. That's idiotic.

It's one of those things that aren't completely clear. Years ago I saw some CCP employee claiming ANY manipulation of CONCORD was illegal but I've seen different rulings since that one.

Even if it isn't legal, who's going to keep track so *shrugz*.

Sir...

I'm not saying that isn't true... what I'm saying is: The market is changing, and gamers are changing... folks like Solstice may not really care about that, but the small and "cozy" playerbase CCP has gathered here will not be forever, and the way the game is right now, I don't see much new blood coming to fill the ranks.

Also: The game HAS been going in a... "worrying" direction for the last couple of months... there is no denying that.