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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#641 - 2013-11-16 09:11:38 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.


It might sound odd for you, but if one trader gains billions, it's because somebody else lost those billions.

That is, being in a station or in space is irrelevant, actually a trader can lose in a day well beyond the value of a pair of fitted battleships.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#642 - 2013-11-16 09:13:41 UTC
High-end market play is the equivalent risk of multi-boxing titans.

I've personally lost a titan's worth of ISK from bad calls throughout my career, though made far more from good ones. I've lost a supercarrier's worth from one bad call alone.

I'll also add that i think trading in Eve is a little too easy and stable, and would have no objections to scaled hisec transaction taxes.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#643 - 2013-11-16 09:27:15 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:

People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.


It might sound odd for you, but if one trader gains billions, it's because somebody else lost those billions.

That is, being in a station or in space is irrelevant, actually a trader can lose in a day well beyond the value of a pair of fitted battleships.


The announcement that the LP store would have mining mindlinks probably destroyed someones position. IMO its CCP that is best at burning traders.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#644 - 2013-11-16 09:31:40 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
High-end market play is the equivalent risk of multi-boxing titans.

I've personally lost a titan's worth of ISK from bad calls throughout my career, though made far more from good ones. I've lost a supercarrier's worth from one bad call alone.

I'll also add that i think trading in Eve is a little too easy and stable, and would have no objections to scaled hisec transaction taxes.


It's not taxes that make a market fast and fun to trade.

I had the pleausure (and the pain, as the backend often died) of playing the first days Guild Wars 2 markets.
1.5 millions participants create a market that is completely comparable to a RL market, price swings fluidly and all the time.

No 20 minutes waits to see somebody setup a new order, in there I could put a buy order below 5-6 other buy orders and the fluidity would make my order get taken after 1 minute tops.

Of course that game has markets that can't really be compared to EvE's (much more) player created markets but the feeling was very good. It also came with high taxes, but the fun was in i.e. predicting afternoon gold value in the morning and so on.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#645 - 2013-11-16 09:35:55 UTC
flakeys wrote:

Most of the times it's not even young traders , it's people who have totally no understanding of the markets or how to read the history graphs and think 'hey there's an easy way to make billions ' without even finding it odd that the trade hubs are filled to the roof with traders 23/7 grinding 0.01 iskies yet none of those traders spotted the 'easy B to be made' .


Ah ah the few times I reply in a politically correct way, there's good ole Flakeys to bring me back down with the feet on Earth P

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Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#646 - 2013-11-16 12:06:16 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.

While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.


You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#647 - 2013-11-16 13:26:45 UTC
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.

While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.


You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.


Heck, you could put gankers a step above IZ. We don't sneak around with cloaking devices. Cool

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#648 - 2013-11-16 15:24:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Chopper Rollins wrote:

You got demoted to joke status with that "forced docking rights" lie, what the hell you doing in this thread?
I'm here for laughs or information, your sad masochism provides neither.

Lmao. You're great for the comedy. Here you go, now stop whining.







Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.

While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.


You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.

Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#649 - 2013-11-16 15:56:42 UTC
We risk freighters and are open to attack from everyone with our -10 status as well as having god knows how many killrights on us plus we are forever wardecked.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#650 - 2013-11-16 15:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me.
That's your choice, you choose to play in null with all of its inherent risks, and you choose to run the sites and shoot people who live there.

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That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind?
What game are you playing? Most suicide gankers are -10, as a result of the way they choose to play, therefore they're engageable by anybody in highsec without Concord even blinking. They still have to undock to gank and travel, so there is opportunity to engage them. While they can repair their sec status, there's generally no point when CCP give us 3 character slots.

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Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#651 - 2013-11-16 15:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Chopper Rollins
As i mentioned before, Tribal Band was a bunch of meatshields in space people still don't want, this attracted people looking for easy hits. Then you turned up and zapped some bads and some :shobon: ... In a T3 and a falcon alt.

Now about that forcing docking rights poop you tried to slide into our salad, i'm finding it hard to understand how you can keep appearing in this thread with that nappy overflowing so bad and still try to give people pointers on style.


Edit: i just knew you'd drop some dubious screencap, the only date i can see there is 29 October, loooooong after Tribe left, even dissolved i think. You're terrible and should feel terrible.

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Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#652 - 2013-11-16 16:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Alp
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.

Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind?


Yeah.. it is such a huge risk to fly around in your cloaky proteus which needs like 10 seconds to kill those oracles.. 10 long seconds where your victim can scream for help in whatever chat he is just sitting in, then the ppl willing to help have to jump into a useful ship, undock, warp to your victim, lock you and drop a bubble on you.

Hell even if they already are in space you are long gone again or cloaked up safely and in warp already again...... I do not say that it is not a valid tactic... but you can hardly call yourself a brave PvPer doing that.......

edit: also.... someone already mentioned before that you claim that high sec is more dangerous than 0.0..... in your old topics you allways claim that people in 0.0 are totally risk averse and dock up as soon as a neutral enters local, yet you claim when you enter local as a neutral you take a huge risk of loosing your cloaky ships..... this clearly shows that everytime you speak up you try to twist facts in order to make you look good, but you do not realise at all that all you do with your posting is making yourself look like a total fool.
CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#653 - 2013-11-16 16:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: CETA Elitist
if it makes you feel better OP i afk in .5 systems all the time in my rattlesnake and nothing ever happens to me.

I just choose when to and when not to afk.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#654 - 2013-11-16 17:01:31 UTC
Jessica Alp wrote:
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.

Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind?


Yeah.. it is such a huge risk to fly around in your cloaky proteus which needs like 10 seconds to kill those oracles.. 10 long seconds where your victim can scream for help in whatever chat he is just sitting in, then the ppl willing to help have to jump into a useful ship, undock, warp to your victim, lock you and drop a bubble on you.

Hell even if they already are in space you are long gone again or cloaked up safely and in warp already again...... I do not say that it is not a valid tactic... but you can hardly call yourself a brave PvPer doing that.......

Yeah because you can't brick tank an oracle or have a cloaky t3 or fit a cyno or any other number of tricks to catch a Proteus in your hub system. And the nightmare, stabber and Domi I guess died in 10 seconds too and can't beat a cloaky Proteus.

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Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#655 - 2013-11-16 17:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Alp
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jessica Alp wrote:
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.

Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind?


Yeah.. it is such a huge risk to fly around in your cloaky proteus which needs like 10 seconds to kill those oracles.. 10 long seconds where your victim can scream for help in whatever chat he is just sitting in, then the ppl willing to help have to jump into a useful ship, undock, warp to your victim, lock you and drop a bubble on you.

Hell even if they already are in space you are long gone again or cloaked up safely and in warp already again...... I do not say that it is not a valid tactic... but you can hardly call yourself a brave PvPer doing that.......

Yeah because you can't brick tank an oracle or have a cloaky t3 or fit a cyno or any other number of tricks to catch a Proteus in your hub system. And the nightmare, stabber and Domi I guess died in 10 seconds too and can't beat a cloaky Proteus.


brick tank an oracle.. hahahahahaha..... you clearly are the expert of eve ships......

and sure..... ppl sit around all day to setup traps for some random solo roamer.... suuuuuuuureeeeee......

A ratting Nightmare can not beat a proteus... ever..... unless the proteus pilot is really dumb....
A stabber vs proteus... what a challenge m8... you are a god amongst pvpers.....
a dominix huh... do not see any dead dominix on your kb but hey.. nice try.....

yet another edit....... yes people can setup traps or camp gates fit cynos on their ratting ships and so on.. but guess what.. that happens pretty much as often as high seccers decide to do something against suicide gankers....... also you fail to explain how they are supposed to do anything like that while being docked up, since they do not ever undock with neutrals in the system (your claim not mine).
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#656 - 2013-11-16 17:21:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jessica Alp wrote:
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


You are such a hypocrite, you talk about suicide gankers killing targets without risk, yet the only ships you kill in 0.0 are PvE fitted oracles in a proteus, talk more about people who suicide gank having no skill.

Yeah I'm only risking a billion in ship and mods, 1.5 billion in implants, a level 5 sub skill in a null hub system full of people who are setting traps, bubbles, hot drops and who can shoot me. That's so similar to your 10 mill isk max Catalyst on a alt in high sec where nobody can shoot you without getting concordekenned. How could I have been so blind?


Yeah.. it is such a huge risk to fly around in your cloaky proteus which needs like 10 seconds to kill those oracles.. 10 long seconds where your victim can scream for help in whatever chat he is just sitting in, then the ppl willing to help have to jump into a useful ship, undock, warp to your victim, lock you and drop a bubble on you.

Hell even if they already are in space you are long gone again or cloaked up safely and in warp already again...... I do not say that it is not a valid tactic... but you can hardly call yourself a brave PvPer doing that.......

Yeah because you can't brick tank an oracle or have a cloaky t3 or fit a cyno or any other number of tricks to catch a Proteus in your hub system. And the nightmare, stabber and Domi I guess died in 10 seconds too and can't beat a cloaky Proteus.


brick tank an oracle.. hahahahahaha..... you clearly are the expert of eve ships......

and sure..... ppl sit around all day to setup traps for some random solo roamer.... suuuuuuuureeeeee......

A ratting Nightmare can not beat a proteus... ever..... unless the proteus pilot is really dumb....
A stabber vs proteus... what a challenge m8... you are a god amongst pvpers.....
a dominix huh... do not see any dead dominix on your kb but hey.. nice try.....

yet another edit....... yes people can setup traps or camp gates fit cynos on their ratting ships and so on.. but guess what.. that happens pretty much as often as high seccers decide to do something against suicide gankers.......

Yes brick tank an Oracle.

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Stabber vs Proteus, Stabber wins. I had blasters, no web, no drones, an AB. There shouldn't have been any way for me to touch that Stabber.

Dominix is on there, it was a Test Dommi.

The point is there are many ways to kill a solo person hunting your members in a hub system, especially when they don't move on, given I killed so many of course they werent' going to just leave me alone lol.

Your whole post is denial.

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Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#657 - 2013-11-16 17:37:30 UTC
So if there is an oracle sitting in a belt not ever firing a single shot and showing not a single gun fitted (which you could easily check since you can just sit there cloaked for hours keeping range to him to check) is not a completly obvious trap is it?

your KB stats (at least on eve-kill) are still not showing a single dominix kill in 2013........ the only BS kill i see there is the nightmare... but i guess the only kill you claim that could actually have been a challenge not being there is just a coincidence right?
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#658 - 2013-11-16 17:41:13 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Stabber vs Proteus, Stabber wins. I had blasters, no web, no drones, an AB. There shouldn't have been any way for me to touch that Stabber.



Because medium blasters with "Null" loaded can not hit a stabber pointing you right????
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#659 - 2013-11-16 18:06:30 UTC
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Stabber vs Proteus, Stabber wins. I had blasters, no web, no drones, an AB. There shouldn't have been any way for me to touch that Stabber.



Because medium blasters with "Null" loaded can not hit a stabber pointing you right????

LMAO. Stick to ganking in highsec seriously. No, a Proteus with medium blasters, with null loaded can not hit a stabber with a point. Unless the Stabber maybe decided to sit still at 12 to 15k for it :)

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#660 - 2013-11-16 18:13:51 UTC
Don't you use TEs?

Oh god.