EVE General Discussion

edit: this post is just about the miner gank not targetted at general ganking(s).

You don't need a tank to escape a miner gank, just watch local, add the baddies on watchlist and d-scan, you can fit ZERO tank if you're not AFK.

This comes from an experienced low sec ninja miner and high sec 24/7 mining. (this means a lot LOL jk)
Why just last week I got 10 destroyers (in a weeks time) warping in and even though I could warp out before they arrived on grid I was pre aligned as usual and waited till the last second to **** them off xD so much fun!

Trust me if you're annoyed at being ganked as a miner your neighborhood gankers will be 10x more pissed if every belt they warped to had a miner flee before they got there.

Yes I am of the few that enjoy mining.

My point was that people don't tank their barges because its relatively pointless. If they all tanked them they'd still get ganked. Its cheap and easy to do. Now a solo miner ganker like you might be out of business but the New Orders and Bat Country corps don't do it for the isk, they do it for the notoriety and kill mails. They're funded quite well so the isk is no issue. Bat Country has kills on empty freighters....

Ten years and you still don't know how to play this game.

The NO also can't create accounts,members,trained alts, fitted ships, sec status or time to spend out of thin air, they aren't God even if James is more or less role playing he is (which is hilarious btw and I applaud him for doing it). The heavier you tank, the more you'll need of all those resources to gank. Simple logic dictates you cannot gank more than what your resources allow for. More tank (and ecm)=higher resource costs=less total ganks=lower risk of getting ganked=TANK WORKS.

As for isk: done well (being able to scoop up your destroyers remains and stealing the miner's loot drop) the cost of ganking is break even-ish. That offcourse changes when you have to throw multiple 10 million cata's at a single target. Yes, a t2 cata costs 10 million.

As for the NO's resources: http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/01/advanced-skill-training-terror-weapons.html Apparently those do matter...

I think that calling suicide gankers smoke addicts of eve is an objective statement. It has nothing to do with me approving or not. Make punishment for high-sec ganking more severe, so that gankers actually lose something and I will give suicide ganking my seal of approval.

Killboard of the New Order alliance: https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/

Just looked at the first 10 barge and first 10 exhumer ganks. I'd suggest anyone who is on the anti-ganker side to do the same and tell me what you think about those victim's fittings and the security status of the system they were mining in.

Really, go do it and give your honest opinion. I'm especially curious how you guys think about ppl who leave mid slots open btw.


Also, there is not a single Skiff or Procurer on the first page of their killboard, why is that I wonder? Could it be cuz they are harder to kill?

Now that you mention it…

…how much does it cost to gank a one of those 10M T2-gank destroyers?

Why am I not surprised.

…and with high-dps destroyers sporting 8 T2 guns just for starters, the odds of getting 3+ seem pretty good.

Without having exact numbers, you can gank a 10M T2 cata with a not even 3M t1 cata no problems. You'll even have time to pod (provided the ganker is AFK).

I encourage you to do this, seriously! Go find some New order agents (look them up at minerbumping.com) and go gank them!

Contrary to popular belief it does however require some skill and effort to gank so don't be surprised if you fail a few times. I fumbled my few first ganks due to silly mistakes as loading the wrong ammo, not overheating or not properly figuring out how much EHP the target had.

Here you go.
Ganker killing autopilot shuttles with 0 isk cargo and pods:

Ganker is open to attack from everyone:
Shuttle pilot wont shoot you. What are the chances that somebody will appear and shoot you in the timeframe between you shooting at target and concord blowing you up? Taking into account #2 you dont care if you get blown up by concord or other player.

Ganker can fail to kill the target:
How can you fail to kill afk shuttle or pod?

Ganker faces a 50% chance of loot not dropping at all:
50% of 0 isk is 0 isk. No gambling involved at all

Ganker will be hit with a sec status loss resulting in being open to attack from everyone:
Again, what are the chances of that. When you check suicide gankers kb how often do you see loses? This means that they do not get attacked often. I'd say they are not attacked at all (almost)

Ganker will be locked out of a ship for 15 min:
Seriously? This is a punishment? Make this, you go gcc and cant dock, then it will be fine.

Ganker will have a killright against them that is sellable and can be activated at any time:
Like -10 players care for killrights.

Gankers loot ship may be attacked:
What do you want to loot from empty shuttles.

Gankers loot may be stolen by someone else:
What loot?

Gankers fly ships that are ironically profitable to gank:
Stupid t1 fit catas or thrashers?

Gankers void their ship insurance
Destroyers are so cheap I wouldnt care.

Just to make it clear. Go gank frieghters or barges. Its perfectly fine with me. Killing shuttles and pods is a big nono for me due to 'look above'. Make changes to the game so that punishment is severe enough to repel gankers from empty shuttles and pods (aka nonprofit targets), but keep it low enough so they can gank friegthers etc with profit.