EVE General Discussion

Jita sir last time i was ganked in jita,is there anything i can do to transport my goods safely without gank?No,since i was ganked in empty freighter too.Dude take your pink glasses off and take a look at killmails,or even just eve map statistics see how many ships were destroyed last 24 h,more then half of them are ganks.And miners vs big alliances,yes you live in fairy land if you think miners would win.
You talk about effort,then why gankers not going to null and push out goons from half the null,they won't because it takes too much effort its much more easyer to gank noob in hisec.

It's a dog eat dog world and all that; and it's always easier to pick on a smaller dog than a bigger one.

Just so happens that the smallest dog in the game at the moment is the lone highsec miner or noob highsec hauler.

Most gankers aren't that much higher up the food chain and can be beaten (on a range of different levels) fairly easily. Go and look at the C&P where there are a couple of threads providing good advice on that, directly from gankers.

But in the end, you as a player make the choices about how you play the game; and you have the accept responsibility for all apects of game play that result from those choices.

I agree that it should be less safe for gankers, but that is nothing to do with stopping them from ganking you. You are playing the same game as everyone else and have the same tools available to you to avoid being ganked. It's not someone else's role (eg. CCP) to take responsibility to fix your problems when solutions already exist.

I agree. Something needs to be done about the idiots in highsec.

I say CCP should relax some of the many many CONCORD buffs that have happened through the years, or tone down the consequences of killing people, and make ganks a much more commonplace and worth-while practice. That should weed them out in short order.

As it is, the chances of being ganked are pretty much zero, so the idiots are allowed to maintain their idiotic ways and have no reason or incentive to adapt or adopt more clever practices. Bring back some proper risk to highsec and get rid of this silly notion that have grown that it is somehow a “safe” part of space.

It already is the same for everyone.

EVE gives you modules, maps, local and other in-game chat channels, support ships, market windows and cost estimates, and other players — the exact same tools the gankers use.

Non sequitur.

I started to respond but I've taken a vow against walls of text.

I"m ssoooo confused though.
I can't even understand enough to begin to reply in a way that could sway your thinking to a place of more inner peace with the status quo:

"I haven't got ganked because I pay attention but I'm afraid if I don't pay attention I might get ganked. A game shouldn't require you pay attention"

and more or less:
~Some places should be dangerous and some not but I don't want to take steps to go to the safer parts of high sec and I shouldn't have to think about staying out of corridor systems and knowing people in a system of high sec industiralists and there shouldn't need to be any advantage of actually joining together with people in high sec to report on stuff and know each other because high sec shouldn't require interaction between players because people should be able to play an mmo like it were a single person campaign game if they felt like and shouldn't feel more safe if they made friends...~

and

more or less:
~" I make 3 times as much as you do but there needs to be a way I can make isk because that's part of the game and you can't make isk if you get ganked all the time but I make three times as much isk as you do anyway .. enough to buy plexes for gametime and still get richer every month BUT it is insane CCP doesn't have a way where traders can make isk"~

It would take me a book and I'd get called a pompous ass (well this character is a pompous ass but still) if I tried

I'm so confused.

No it used to punish laziness and reward intelligence. Now it simply allows lazy unintelligent gamers to sit at gate and kill anything they want for no reason other than they can.

Your argument is stupid, given the context.

I've had a couple haulers ganked over the years... oddly it only seemed to happen in lowsec and null. This was mostly due to me taking foolish risks by operating solo in dangerous territory. My fault. I've had a few lock-ons happen in hisec either while hauling or mining, but no successful ganks. I think the actual risk of being ganked in hisec is being greatly exaggerated as of late in truth... many of us carebears REALLY don't like the idea, and tend to scream bloody murder about it rather than take measures to prevent it from happening.
Speaking of measures, I really do like the escort idea for haulers. It's a nearly ubiquitous notion in space sci-fi movies/series... the convoy. Having someone riding shotgun improves the chance of the cargo getting to it's destination intact. Pay a friend or corpmate to ride along to help you get there... if you are short on either or both of those, hire a couple newbie mercs looking for a leg up in the business to help. Just visibly having guards will help deter possible hostiles... actually having guards that know how to defend can be a nasty discovery for those they don't deter.
Your enemies are using teamwork and intel to make this happen, you have access to the same toolbox they do. Not gonna touch on the popping of miners, as there are already numerous threads regarding that and the antics of the New Order.

Interesting. I have also put forth this hypothesis, after my first few days as a suicide ganker.

It's due to incorrect expectations of what is or is not supposed to happen.

Incorrect expectations lead to reality slapping you in the face. No one likes to get slapped in the face by reality, so rather than accept that their expectations were wrong in the first place, they seek to justify this by campaigning to have the game changed to match their (incorrect) expectations of it.

Sound about right?

Dear OP

You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed.