EVE General Discussion

Here is a Somer employee selling their 'vanity trash' for nearly 20 billion isk 9 days after CCP gifted them.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=273452

The IWS might be vanity trash but it is exceedingly valuable vanity trash and CCP's gifts were worth c. 600 billion at market value.

Goons have created more content and enjoyment for me than SOMERblink ever will.

They can have a few ishy scorps as far as I am concerned.

Better yet - give the scorps to Test Alliance, they've given me even more hours of enjoyment than the Goons and lord knows they need the help right now.

alternatively "i'm locking this thread because i don't know what's going on and i can't find 2 irrelevant threads to redirect you to".

nothing against CCP eterne but his reasons for locking threads related to this whole debacle have had the most hilarious and obscure reasons i've ever seen in all of my years of shitposting on forums.

It's funny you should call other people "dumb" when you're the one who appears incapable of understanding why this is an issue. Stating "the big picture is everyone wants to cry about them getting stuff" is either laughably wrong or you're deliberately constructing a strawman to attack.

That is not the big picture, that's not why people are bothered.

Learn some basic reading comprehension and understand the arguments before ranting against things no one is saying.

actually no, the issue is that ccp are handing out large amounts of high value assets spawned from thin air to select groups of players without any form of control other than "we think it's cool". does it really need to be explained why producing high value assets out of thin air is a bad idea (before we even get on to the lack of governing criteria)?
it was simply a dumb, reckless, and irresponsible way to reward somer.

also if it's expensive because some one will pay it, then it is worth it... that's pretty much how it's defined. an items i only ever worth as much as some one is willing to pay for it.

Example on-line Survey

1. How would you like us to tell you we will never issue a statement.

a) I am sorry what concerns?
b) We will tell you when hell freezes over.
c) We aint telling you squat, it is out game not yours.
d) Please Submit a petition so we can promptly tell you to get bent and then ban you if you share that with anyone else.
e) Have you considered buying GTC via Somer Blink, this may help to relieve your frustrations.

[03:37:23] Firebat2 > according to http://evenews24.com/2013/10/29/somer-blinks-bonus-gets-closed-down/ we can no longer get bonus isk. yet the blink site is still advertising it, what gives?

[03:38:19] Sara Utama > so they are upping the ante for those 10 days.. possibly kicking the hornets nest, or possibly just paying for a ton of server time while they can

[03:38:50] Andre Ox > We spoke to CCP this morning - there's some annoying people that were trying to exploit the program some fansites (us included) used for years now, but for evil purpose. So they're changing policy, and asked us to close out the bonus after the 7th :)

[03:39:58] Andre Ox > The people who get nuked from orbit are the ones who just make up their own interpretations of things then leap into action without asking any questions. :p

(apparently Markee is sold out now)

[03:41:10] Andre Ox > Fire - They're planning to stock heavy, so they shouldn't run out again tomorrow :)

[03:42:20] Angie Munoz > So out of curiosity if you guys became a resellers and cut MD out of the loop and gave the bonus still would that be against rules?

[03:42:43] Angie Munoz > at that point you are just a reseller promoting a business i would think

[03:42:46] Andre Ox > Angie - The letter of the law? Probably not. But it'd definitely be wizzing all over the spirit of the law, and we'd rather not do that to CCP.

[04:10:11] Icarus Narcissus > I've gotten 12 GTCs in the past 3 days and now this :P

[04:16:43] Cain Atticus > but will the promotion stay?

[04:16:49] Sohlstyss Mahm > yes, until the 7th of November

[04:16:54] Andrev Nox > Yeah, they're out of stock at the moment. But they restock in the morning, and the 1b bonus promotion lasts through the 7th :)

[04:18:48] Xeator > kinda bummed that i bought gtc the day before this 1b credit offer :<

[04:19:04] Xeator > only 200m :'(

[04:19:22] Vadol > thats 200m more than you would get on teh 8th

[04:19:28] Brandon MH > I won a plex with my 200m credit, so I'm pretty happy with that return.

[04:20:10] Mhari Dson > I've never bought a GTC but I think I'm about to work one into my budget

[04:21:37] Andrev Nox > Xeator, Brandon - I backdated the credit on your GTC bonuses for you now :)

[04:22:00] Brandon MH > seriously?? wow. that is completely unnecessary.

[04:22:03] Xeator > omg, youre the best :D

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so they're basically thumbing their nose at the community while laughing their way to the bank and playing their protection under CCP til literally the last possible minute.

their customers know that the credit is isk, and that it's for them to cash out free ****. all the arguments that it isn't RMT fall flat on their face. Andrev Nox is even backdating GTC purchases and giving retroactive credit to fuel more sales. they really are acting shamelessly, because they have no fear of repercussions.

[05:10:35] augie bendoggy > i know there has been alot of "grey area " discussion.. but really.. if it makes people buy more plexs from ccp.. what do they have to complain about

[05:11:44] Andrev Nox > Augie - it wasn't ever a grey area. Years ago, when we started it, we got CCP's blessing, up and down the chain, before a single GTC was bonused :)

[05:11:46] Andrev Nox > The problem comes from a few problem children who screamed "how high" after Mittens said "jump," who were abusing the system that's been in place for dozens of sites for years. So they had to change policy to shut down the malicious players.


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in case you're getting ready to delete these, ISD. don't worry. i've been screenshotting everything as well :) if you have to, i would ask that out of consideration you just edit the logs out instead, as i will just repost them in in-game screenshot form anways.

looks like we got an answer. CCP approved of this RMT up and down the chain.

yet for some reason they threatened everyone else with bans. because using the same system Somer does is abuse... or something.

and apparently asking for fairness and equal enforcement of the EULA makes you a problem child and malicious.

It would depend on my perspective.

If I was doing it for the cash, then hell yeah I would make as much as I can before my gravy train ran out.

If I was a community site and I had set the site up for the community and not for myself, then I would take down the bonus immediately, as I had been informed that my actions were viewed in a bad light and were hurting the community I had set the site up for in the first place.

But CCP really should have set up properly guide lines and altered the EULA so it was an equal field for all, before they allowed this in the first place.